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To: Kaslin
I'm 52 and have observations with 3 non emasculated lads and 2 non fembotted lasses:

I will speak only of what we can call white upper middle class college degreed social strata of which I am a member in good standing (though I am very comfortable with those outside my particular demographic..my daddy taught me that):

1) Women coddle boys too much today and insist on holding them back a year at pre-k or pre-first at a rate of around 80%

2) Men often do the same so they can be bigger for sports...teaching cheating already in my opinion..not to mention the vicarious thing

3) Single moms are not tough taskmasters anymore but rather shrill yellers who rarely discipline and just drone on and on about what they are gonna do but never do and kids know this.

4) Single moms too often let bad men in the home for their own pleasure which endangers the kids..very bad.

5) Schoolteachers reflect this coddling and refuse to let boys be boys...no roughhousing, zero tolerance for fighting...an environment which mutes boys and raises teasing to a new height since there is no immediate consequence anymore like in my day like a bloody nose.

6) Popular TV culture enforces this sweet stuff with Barney, Teletubbies and Dora...enough is enough.

7) Guns are to be feared or better yet...loathed.

8) If you are a white kid then you know early on you must owe non whites something since your culture was ahead..till now anyhow.

9) Fashion....girl pants, Martin short haircuts, little vests, pointy shoes on guys that are waifish..so gay.

10) Speaking of which..homosexuality is the new black. Forrest Whitaker was the cool black guy in Fast Times at Ridgemont High...now it's the cakeboy. When I was in high school we had sissies, we did not yet know they were homosexual at aged 15-17...stupid us...we could have worshipped them.

11) Men have become less masculine looking...it's amazing. They are more frail (i’m talking whites...blacks and many latinos are getting bigger..much bigger)and with dainty little chins..glass I'm sure.

It's funny as the men get more frail and girly looking, the women get fatter and fatter...

that's just what my wife I notice all the time around here in Nashville metro and we talk about it a lot

the only tuff looking young men we see are occasional rural boys in pickups with a chew, Hurt Locker looking lads and those in the UFC or WEC

109 posted on 09/08/2009 8:16:23 AM PDT by wardaddy (Bro has stumbled mightily but the media will rebuild him....)
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To: wardaddy
11) Men have become less masculine looking...it's amazing. They are more frail (i’m talking whites...blacks and many latinos are getting bigger..much bigger)and with dainty little chins..glass I'm sure.

18-25 year old skinny white boys with skinny pants, queer haircuts, and sunglasses seem to be attracted to my current nabe (Astoria, NY) like a magnet to steel. The are balanced out by fat Latino kids (the only "pumped" Latino guys I see in the metro as a whole are second generation Nuyoricans and Dominicanyork cops/construction worker types) and Greek kids who dress and act like Eurotrash (but at least have girth or muscle).

I agree completely that most of the (middle American) suburban-raised white boys pouring into the city nowadays are rather fey, and look like they couldn't throw a punch to a paper bag. The kids over in Jersey and Long Island are occasionally more masculine than the corn-fed metrosexuals, but the trend continues there as well. We've already discussed the "Wigger" phenomenon that exists among white kids in the blue collar suburbs in the past.

119 posted on 09/08/2009 9:18:47 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: wardaddy
11) Men have become less masculine looking...it's amazing. They are more frail (i’m talking whites...blacks and many latinos are getting bigger..much bigger)and with dainty little chins..glass I'm sure.

18-25 year old skinny white boys with skinny pants, queer haircuts, and sunglasses seem to be attracted to my current nabe (Astoria, NY) like a magnet to steel. They are balanced out by fat Latino kids (the only "pumped" Latino guys I see in the metro as a whole are second generation Nuyoricans and Dominicanyork cops/construction worker types) and Greek kids who dress and act like Eurotrash (but at least have girth or muscle).

I agree completely that most of the (middle American) suburban-raised white boys pouring into the city nowadays are rather fey, and look like they couldn't throw a punch to a paper bag. The kids over in Jersey and Long Island are occasionally more masculine than the corn-fed metrosexuals, but the trend continues there as well. We've already discussed the "Wigger" phenomenon that exists among white kids in the blue collar suburbs in the past.

120 posted on 09/08/2009 9:19:17 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: wardaddy

We all see things through the lenses of our own perception. You think girl-pants are gay, and by the name they certainly sound effeminate. The truth however is that there have been warrior classes that wore what we could consider even more feminine. Bad-assed European men at one time wore tunics over stockings.


134 posted on 09/08/2009 10:57:35 AM PDT by Melas
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