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Baucus Circulates Health Insurance Plan
The Hill ^

Posted on 09/07/2009 8:35:13 AM PDT by TroutGuy

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) has circulated his own health reform plan, apparently tired of waiting for the rest of the "Group of Six" to come around.

Baucus's plan would cost between $850 billion and $950 billion over ten years, and would help pay for itself by imposing a new fee on insurance companies, the NY Times reports.

The plan does not include a public option, or even a "trigger" to implement a public option under certain conditions.

While that omission is likely to anger liberals, the new health insurance company tax is likely to alienate Republicans. For example, take a look at this explanation from the Times:

Mr. Baucus’s plan, expected to cost $850 billion to $900 billion over 10 years, would tax insurance companies on their most expensive health care policies. The hope is that employers would buy cheaper, less generous coverage for employees, thereby reducing the overuse of medical services. [emphasis added]

Conservatives are already claiming that Democratic reform would lead to healthcare rationing. A tax like that is unlikely to assuage those concerns.

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Someone please clarify something for me. I recently read that, no matter what the Dems pass, once the Republicans get control of the House of Representatives again, they can simply vote to not fund any new program the Dems create. Is it as simple as that? I will lose less sleep over this whole health care thing if I know that what is being done now can be undone without Republicans getting 60 votes in the Senate, which will take a very long time to accomplish.
1 posted on 09/07/2009 8:35:13 AM PDT by TroutGuy
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To: TroutGuy

No to Obamacare.

No to RINOcare.


2 posted on 09/07/2009 8:37:07 AM PDT by adm5 (YOU CANNOT FIX CAPITALISM WITH SOCIALISM! -Glenn Beck)
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To: TroutGuy

With 60% of all heathcare insurance users being covered by policies with non-profit organizations, it looks like the Democrats are finally coming out in the open with their idea to use nonprofit organizations as a supplemental source of tax money they can just waste.


3 posted on 09/07/2009 8:41:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TroutGuy
I recently read that, no matter what the Dems pass, once the Republicans get control of the House of Representatives again, they can simply vote to not fund any new program the Dems create. Is it as simple as that?

Just like the Republicans didn't fund Social Security when they took control of Congress in 1946? Or like the Republicans decided to repeal Medicare when they took over the Senate in 1980?

Oh wait, they did neither. Don't hold out hope.

4 posted on 09/07/2009 8:44:33 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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once the Republicans get control of the House of Representatives again, they can simply vote to not fund any new program the Dems create.

No. The problem is the unelected advisors and bureaucrats who will make unfunded regulations and guidelines. We'll never be able to undo that, because when Pubbies regain control, they never fire these people.

5 posted on 09/07/2009 8:45:12 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: TroutGuy

At this point, the Dems plan a “scotched earth” proposal. They are going to destroy the current healthcare system, and that will leave no choice but national healthcare.


6 posted on 09/07/2009 8:45:38 AM PDT by Brilliant
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> ... would help pay for itself by imposing a new fee on insurance companies ...
Translated, normal health insurance would cost more as the insurance companies pass this tax on to the subscribers.


7 posted on 09/07/2009 8:47:17 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama's New New Deal = The Raw Deal)
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Is insurance mandatory under the Baucus plan? I find it interesting that they can assess the insurance companies a surcharge to pay for the plan and yet premiums will be lower.


8 posted on 09/07/2009 8:48:24 AM PDT by kabar
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would tax insurance companies on their most expensive health care policies. The hope is that employers would buy cheaper, less generous coverage for employees, thereby reducing the overuse of medical services

This provision would kill most middle class support.

In my opinion, the number one reason people are afraid of health care reform, is that they don't want to loose what they have now. Many blue collar factory workers (union and non union) have the benefit of a good employer funded health care plan. If the result of this extra tax is the lowering of benefits, the blue collar voters (many that unfortunately this election went for Obama) will revolt. I don't think that most people are against health care reform because it is "welfare", I think they are (or will be) against it because they don't want to lose what they have now.

9 posted on 09/07/2009 8:53:10 AM PDT by codercpc
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Baucus is a Democrat. He’s also an idiot. How exactly will charging insurance companies “a fee” lower our medical costs?


10 posted on 09/07/2009 8:55:52 AM PDT by cake_crumb (86 44!)
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I’ve got a different plan. If your goal is to insure coverage of illegal aliens, then tax them $5000 per household....


11 posted on 09/07/2009 8:56:29 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: Alter Kaker
Just like the Republicans didn't fund Social Security when they took control of Congress in 1946?

Did they have a veto proof majority because HST was in the WH and would be until January 1953? FYI: in the 80th Congress, 1947-49, the Reps controlled the Senate 51-47 and the House 246-188-1.

In 1946 the salary cap for SS was $3,000 as it had been since 1937. The tax rate was 1% and there was no SS contribution required for the self-employed. In 1950 there were 16 retirees for every worker.

Or like the Republicans decided to repeal Medicare when they took over the Senate in 1980?

You don't seem to understand how Congress works. How could Reagan or the Senate [Reps had control 53-47 in the 97th Congress] repeal Medicare when the Dems had control of the House and the Reps did not have a veto proof majority in the Senate?

The Reps couldn't repeal Medicare if they wanted to. And they didn't want to anyway.

12 posted on 09/07/2009 9:05:03 AM PDT by kabar
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Montanans, please . . . vote this SOB out


13 posted on 09/07/2009 9:08:36 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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Max Baucus is a CLIENT of Bob Beckel!!YUKEROO! Bob Beckel is one of the MEANEST LIBS out there.


14 posted on 09/07/2009 9:14:39 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Did they have a veto proof majority because HST was in the WH and would be until January 1953?

They controlled the budget, but didn't even try to do away with New Deal era social programs. And with the Senate and the Presidency (and significant control over the House, when you factor in the then-large number of Southern Dixiecrats), the GOP didn't even try to undo Great Society in 1981.

15 posted on 09/07/2009 9:32:03 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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As I said they didn't want to. And they didn't have the power to do so. The "Dixiecrats" supported all of these domestic social programs whether it was the New Deal or LBJ's Great Society. There is a reason why SS [and now Medicare] was considered the third rail of American politics.

Medicare passed 70-24 in the Senate (6 NV) with the Dems voting 57-7 for the bill and the Reps 17 to 13 against it. And in the House 307 to 116 with 10 NV. The Dems voted 237-48 for it and the Reps 70-68 FOR it.

16 posted on 09/07/2009 9:54:31 AM PDT by kabar
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Just like the Republicans didn't fund Social Security when they took control of Congress in 1946? Or like the Republicans decided to repeal Medicare when they took over the Senate in 1980? Oh wait, they did neither. Don't hold out hope.

All of D.C. is corrupt. Just a handful with a (R) are left.They owe their allegience to their handelers, the elites, that tell them what to do & when. Probably a health care bill will be passed that we here won't like. To hell with us. Plus most of all (D)s will be voted back in.

17 posted on 09/07/2009 10:13:47 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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