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Wall Street Pursues Profit in Bundles of Life Insurance (birth of life-insurace-baked securities?)
NYT ^ | 09/06/09 | JENNY ANDERSON

Posted on 09/06/2009 3:32:40 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Wall Street Pursues Profit in Bundles of Life Insurance

By JENNY ANDERSON

After the mortgage business imploded last year, Wall Street investment banks began searching for another big idea to make money. They think they may have found one.

The bankers plan to buy “life settlements,” life insurance policies that ill and elderly people sell for cash — $400,000 for a $1 million policy, say, depending on the life expectancy of the insured person. Then they plan to “securitize” these policies, in Wall Street jargon, by packaging hundreds or thousands together into bonds. They will then resell those bonds to investors, like big pension funds, who will receive the payouts when people with the insurance die.

The earlier the policyholder dies, the bigger the return — though if people live longer than expected, investors could get poor returns or even lose money.

Either way, Wall Street would profit by pocketing sizable fees for creating the bonds, reselling them and subsequently trading them. But some who have studied life settlements warn that insurers might have to raise premiums in the short term if they end up having to pay out more death claims than they had anticipated.

The idea is still in the planning stages. But already “our phones have been ringing off the hook with inquiries,” says Kathleen Tillwitz, a senior vice president at DBRS, which gives risk ratings to investments and is reviewing nine proposals for life-insurance securitizations from private investors and financial firms, including Credit Suisse.

“We’re hoping to get a herd stampeding after the first offering,” said one investment banker not authorized to speak to the news media.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bond; insurance

1 posted on 09/06/2009 3:32:40 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/06/2009 3:33:11 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Wonder how many trillions this is gonna cost us taxpayers, when it blows up...


3 posted on 09/06/2009 3:35:43 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike
I just hope it won't take off.
4 posted on 09/06/2009 3:37:11 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Imagine if the Street encourages underwriters to do with life insurance what it did with mortgages.

No documentation life insurance. State your age, state your health status, sign, date it and you got a policy. The Street bundles the policies, sells them to town councils in Norway, pays its execs hundreds of millions and shorts what it just sold.

Don’t like to bring it up because it does sound tin-foilish but I do wonder if Obama’s plan to cut $500 billion from medicare is connected to the Street all of a sudden deciding to head in this direction.


5 posted on 09/06/2009 3:42:19 AM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: TigerLikesRooster

From Oscar Brand’s “Three Prominent Bastards”!

The Banker, The Broker and The Washington Joker.


6 posted on 09/06/2009 3:52:45 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I saw a story recently about how there were MANY upset buyers in Germany .... these have been oversold and we’re not dying fast enough to make the buyers happy.


7 posted on 09/06/2009 3:53:10 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Brugmansian

It may or may not be true, but it is not that far-fetched to me. I don’t see it as tin-foilish.:-)


8 posted on 09/06/2009 4:01:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Haven’t heard that song in years.

“Our parents forgot to get married...”


9 posted on 09/06/2009 4:14:59 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Love it. Everythting that led to the financial meltdown is still in place, still in use, and still legal. But hey, we put Madoff behind bars, so I guess we cleaned up Wall Street.


10 posted on 09/06/2009 4:34:07 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Neidermeyer

Neidermeyer wrote: “I saw a story recently about how there were MANY upset buyers in Germany .... these have been oversold and we’re not dying fast enough to make the buyers happy.”

..... Perhaps Obama’s high interest in the establishment of “Death Panels” begins to make more sense. Only half-sarcasm intended.


11 posted on 09/06/2009 4:38:03 AM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: Brugmansian
I would think that a higher death rate under Obamacare would make life insurance policies sold, currently called viaticals, a bad investment. ObamaCare Jokes Obama Jokes
12 posted on 09/06/2009 6:37:50 AM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: tbw2

Yes....they’re going to have to change the actuarial tables if Obama gets his “health plan” passed....hahahaha....(not that its really funny but it is....ironic)


13 posted on 09/06/2009 6:40:49 AM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Hmmm... Viatical goes mainstream.

Prolly not a good idea.

I hope the SEC is all over this. /sarc

"Viaticals can end up costing investors a lot of money. The North American Securities Administrators Association (NASAA) calls viaticals one of the top ten investment scams. According to Joseph Borg, former president of the North NASAA and director of the Alabama Securities Commission. Securities regulators are “concerned that the inherent risk of viatical investments - gambling on when someone will die - aren't being adequately disclosed, and second, many investors have been outright defrauded by some viatical companies or their sales agents." A Florida Grand Jury in 2000 found as much as 40-50% of the life insurance policies viaticated by viatical settlement providers may have been procured by fraud. The Securities and Exchange Commission has taken action against one company that allegedly defrauded 30,000 investors of $1 billion."

Quote source, the AARP, believe it or not.

14 posted on 09/06/2009 8:12:22 AM PDT by upchuck (Neuter them in 2010 - Send them packing in 2012.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Great.

So unlike regular life insurance companies (who WANT you to live a good, long time, because the longer you live, the longer they defer the payout), now we have a bunch of crooks who figured out how to short life insurance.

So the situation is reversed. The sooner you die, the more they get.

“Comeon, grandma. There’s no reason for some guy in a black ninja outfit to be staring in your window late last night.
Grandma? Grandma?
You still there?”
/pop/click/dial tone......


15 posted on 09/06/2009 1:08:10 PM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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