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So were the drug cops in uniform? I would be trying to get away from a couple of guys jumping out of a black SUV wielding guns, if they weren't recognizable as cops. Sounds real fishy.
1 posted on 09/04/2009 3:13:57 AM PDT by thecabal
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Sounds like an awful stiff price to pay for dropping a suspected druggie off at a store - didn’t know it carried the death penalty.


2 posted on 09/04/2009 3:17:37 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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resisted efforts to question him

Worthy of the death penalty? I would say no. As a person who has a CCW I must justify every defensive action I take with a gun. Wonder how it would be if these same rules were applied to law enforcement?
3 posted on 09/04/2009 3:19:12 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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4 posted on 09/04/2009 3:26:10 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -Arthur C Clarke)
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From what I have heard here locally, they were not in uniform. That got me wondering as well. But, the woman that was with this guy, and their connections, is not at all clear. There may be a whole lot more to this story.


6 posted on 09/04/2009 3:36:59 AM PDT by doodad
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him about a passenger in his car who was the target of a drug sting, authorities said.

A "drug sting" and no drugs were found? Yea right.

8 posted on 09/04/2009 3:51:24 AM PDT by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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A grainy surveillance video from a nearby store shows two drug task-force agents emerge from a black SUV before Ayers’ small car backs up.

Before the car backs up?
The first part of the story is they shot him because he backed intoone trying todrive away.
If the viseo does show them firing before the car started to move these guys are toast..


9 posted on 09/04/2009 4:04:58 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Proud to have made Communist Leader Obama's hit list at flag@whitehouse.gov)
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This does sound fishy to me as well. There is every reason to consider that this pastor was helping the woman and when confronted by plainclothes men wielding handguns, he might have become afraid and ran. The gas station owner told Fox News Atlanta that he had no idea that the men were police. However, you just never know. It is a story worth following, although it may be one that is never followed up on.


10 posted on 09/04/2009 4:06:18 AM PDT by sueuprising
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When I first saw the video I thought the bad guys were in the Avalanche / Escalade. I don’t blame the kid for running.


12 posted on 09/04/2009 4:17:01 AM PDT by naturalized
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Plainclothes officers

They weren't in uniform.

This man was murdered in broad daylight for attempting to escape from two strange men with guns.

13 posted on 09/04/2009 4:29:15 AM PDT by agere_contra
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So were the drug cops in uniform? I would be trying to get away from a couple of guys jumping out of a black SUV wielding guns, if they weren't recognizable as cops. Sounds real fishy.

I agree.

15 posted on 09/04/2009 4:49:23 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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A link to the video might help a few posters (but of course, the usual crowd can make up their minds without video OR reading the story:

http://www.ajc.com/video?bcpid=1659825399&bclid=1716449804&bctid=36838592001


16 posted on 09/04/2009 5:00:03 AM PDT by PAR35
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Yes sir + No sir = alive, unbeaten, unarrested.

I don't care how wrong the cop on the street is, I'm going to take it up (alive, unbeaten, maybe unarrested) with his boss, after the fact.

18 posted on 09/04/2009 5:22:15 AM PDT by Feckless (The oath I took said "...all enemies, foreign and domestic".)
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Better reporting including a video of the shooting of the pastor (left) HERE.

A northeast Georgia pastor has died after being shot by agents from a multi-county drug task force.

GBI spokesman John Bankhead said 28-year-old Jonathan Paul Ayers, pastor of Shoal Creek Baptist Church in Lavonia, was not the target of the sting operation but a woman in his car was under investigation.

The shooting occurred after Ayers dropped the woman off at a store in downtown Toccoa Tuesday afternoon.

Bankhead said agents approached Ayers for questioning but the pastor tried to avoid them, putting his car in reverse before he struck one of the agents.

Bankhead said an agent shot at the car and Ayers suffered a gunshot wound to the torso. The cause of his death was pending the results of an autopsy.

The woman was charged with cocaine possession and distribution.

Ayers’ brother-in-law Matt Carpenter talked with News Channel 7’s coverage partners at the “Independent Mail’ and said the pastor had nothing to do with drugs.

“Any question of his character, particularly involving something like drugs, is just ridiculous,” he said. Ayers’ wife is 4 months pregnant with their first child.

The ‘Independent Mail’ also published Ayers’ last blog entry. Before his last blog entry, Ayers had posted a two-part article on “Ten Things I Can’t Believe.”

His list began with this entry: “I can’t believe that Jesus would choose me. I never deserved it! I can’t believe that He would love me and want me!”

The list included this entry:

“I can’t believe that I am going to (be) a dad. … I want to apologize to the whole world because this kids going to be one messed up, Jesus loving, church going, Georgia fan if there has ever been one. I pray and hope that is at least for the first two things!”

Ayers’ funeral is planned for 2 p.m. Friday at Shoal Creek Baptist Church in Lavonia. Strickland Funeral Home is handling the arrangements. To read more on this story, click here.

26 posted on 09/04/2009 5:51:43 AM PDT by Zakeet (I get wee-wee'd over ObamaCare)
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After watching the video, I will bet anything that the young man thought he was being carjacked!
28 posted on 09/04/2009 6:01:49 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Barack Obama - The wrong man, at the wrong time, for the wrong country.)
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Ga. pastor shot, killed by undercover police

Ayers used an ATM at a Shell convenience store around 2:30 p.m. and the officers, who were in plain clothes, jumped out of a moving vehicle as Ayers was backing out of the parking lot.

33 posted on 09/04/2009 6:20:03 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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Jonathan Paul Ayers, 28, and his wife, Abby,

35 posted on 09/04/2009 6:34:33 AM PDT by rawhide
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More info here: http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/090409/new_489412755.shtml


37 posted on 09/04/2009 6:37:55 AM PDT by rawhide
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This looks like manslaughter - or at the least, criminally negligent homicide. Nobody (including the dead man) knew two threatening guys in civilian clothes with guns drawn and running toward an innocent man in his car were cops.

Trying to escape is a natural reaction in this situation. Alternatively, if the pastor had a CCW and drawn a weapon in fear for his life, he would have been shot down like a mad dog.

These idiot cops should never had been issued weapons. They should have stayed home watching COPS shows imagining they were real cops!

44 posted on 09/04/2009 7:32:29 AM PDT by Gritty (With Obama, we've crossed the line from civil politics to civil war disguised as politics-Alan Keyes)
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Condolences to this pastor’s family and congregation. I see no clear justification for this public execution of a citizen by plainclothes police.


45 posted on 09/04/2009 8:42:55 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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It occurs to me that at some point officers involved in the “DRUG WAR” would ask themselves if it is justifiable to shoot and kill someone “not under investigation” after approaching him in plainclothes in an unmarked SUV at a gas station.

Perhaps they might consider a less dramatic and dangerous way of approaching people, like when they are walking out of the store, or after they have driven onto the road, and doing a felony stop. At least in this methods the victim would have been aware that it was cops after him and not just two thugs and a black SUV.

But hey, if “getting drugs off the streets” is more important than the life of a 28 year old pastor and father-to-be, then these “cops” behaved according to plan.


47 posted on 09/04/2009 11:12:33 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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