[himno hero]

Their other largest problem aside from being either voodeo christian or muslim is the simple thing of education. Western education... dare I say it! OOOOhhhhh thats racist...
Face it they as a people are still 2000 years behind the rest of the world. They are in a difficult place. They have never had a civilization.
Sure we can claim egyptians... other than that nothing. So they are in fact lost so to speak and having to find their way.

Look at central america... evidence abound of meso america where they had full civilizations.

Africa? nothing, nada, zip. They never had a start other than their tribal feudal thing and they havent been able to get past it. Their system will not allow it at grass roots level.

[stormer]

Like I said, you don't know WTF you're talking about. Look up Mutapa, Great Zimbabwe, Axum, or Meroe. On the other hand, you probably better not - these's a chance you'll learn something that conflicts with your juvenile perspective and your head might explode.

[Cronos]

They have never had a civilization. Sure we can claim egyptians... other than that nothing.

Yes and no -- the pre-dynastic and old Kingdom egyptians (who build the pyramids and were there until 1700 BC) were definitely not "black" i.e. sub-saharan Africans. They were related to Berbers.

After the 1st interregnum when the Hyksos came (Hyksos being definitely Semitic, maybe even the ancestors of the Hebrews and other Canaanites), the Egyptians would have Semitic blood.

Then in the middle Kingdom, the Egyptians headed south to conquer parts of Nubia and into Ethiopia.

And the Ethiopians are NOT sub-saharans, not Bantu speakers but rather related to Semites like the Yemenis, Hebrews etc.

The Nubians may have some amount of Sub-Saharan blood, but I'd consider them a different race -- they also had a civilisation dating back at least to 1000 BC -- way before any advanced civilisation in Europe outside Italy and Greece.

And Ethiopian civilisation of course dates back to at least 1000 BC too

Next, you have the Phoenicians who set up shop along North Africa at least by 1000 BC with Carthage dominating

And Berber civilisation (nomadic, but a long-lasting civilisation).

Then, coming to "black" sub-saharan Africa, there WERE civilisations in West Africa like the Gambian kingdom and various other Kingdoms in that area between Senegal and Nigeria, though they later got influenced by Islam. In the East, you had Great Zimbabwe (I don't know much about this) which dates around pre-1000 AD and the Zulus from the 1800s.

The latter two were just about into the Bronze or Iron age in the 1800s when Europeans came in


Anyway, summing up -- YES there were many AFRICAN civilisations dating from at least 4000 BC or earlier, but among the sub-saharan Africans, the earliest dates are in the Christian era and mostly from 700 AD and among southern africans, the dates are even later. Among the Congolese there was NO civilisation to speak of before the Belgians came. Don't forget that the Belgians were also utter beasts in the Congo (comparing them to the modern-day beasts are applicable -- the modern-day ones were maybe worse, however, that doesn't give a civilised society like the Belgians the right to act like uncivilised brutes)