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The Duggers and Overpopulation
Post Scripts ^ | 9/2/09 | OneVike

Posted on 09/02/2009 3:04:24 PM PDT by FredJake

The news is out that Jim Bob and Michelle Dugger are having another child, their 19th. Yes you read correctly, 19 children and their oldest son's wife is expecting their first child. Let us all pray that he follows in his parents footsteps, by having as many children and being as prosperous as his parents. I have heard many people ask the question, "Are they keeping up the household without being on the government dole?" The answer to that question would be that they have never received a dime of taxpayer's money. That is not how they operate. In fact the Duggers run a their own ,business which teaches people how to budget and save by buying only what you can afford among other businesses they own and operate. They built their own home themselves, and had it paid for before it was finished. Right about now many liberals are screaming that the world is already overpopulated and this couple are just adding to the problem. Overpopulated? Is it really?

When it comes to having children, most Christians understand that the Lord opens and closes a woman's womb, and it has been that way from the beginning of time. However, mankind has tried to control that which God said is in His control. The first commandment given to man was, “Be fruitful and multiply Gen 1:22”, and He re-iterated that command again after the Flood when he told Noah, “Be fruitful and multiply Gen 9:7”. Try as I may, I have yet to find any passages where God rescinded that command. What He does tell us, is that if we put our faith in Him, He will supply our needs. Something the Duggers have proved time and time again.

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To: FredJake

They have the right to have as many children as they can love and support. I do worry about the mother’s health, though. But again, she makes her own decisions.


21 posted on 09/02/2009 3:21:23 PM PDT by ShandaLear (Cronyism, Protectionism, Socialism, Obamunism)
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To: FredJake

When I first learned about world population, it stood at two and half billion. Now it is over six and a half billion. Maybe that colors my view of the situation. At the same time I was learning what the phrase “exponential growth” meant.


22 posted on 09/02/2009 3:22:26 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: nmh

They are not exploiting their children. Get a grip.

It seems they belong to a movement called the “Quiverfull, and it’s a Christian movement that derives its name from Psalm 127:3-5, where many children are metaphorically referred to as a quiver full of arrows. While I do not subscribe to the quiverfull movement, and when I first watched a special about this family, I was expecting to be appalled by their beliefs and lifestyle. But after watching the show, and becoming more familiar with the family, their lifestyle, their beliefs, I do not find it to be nearly as disturbing as I thought I would. In fact, I kind of feel myself longing for some of the close family relationships and deep love they appear to feel for one another.

They appear to be a loving, happy family, who are deeply rooted in morality (which most of this society is severely lacking), and they financially support themselves. Translation, they are not on welfare to support their children. Yes, their show undoubtedly helps financially now, but remember folks, they had this family long before the bucks started rolling in, and they didn’t rely on public assistance then either.

They have built-in baby sitters, and the children are all homeschooled so they do miss out on some of the friendships and extra-curricular activities associated with traditional schooling. But they appear to be pretty well-adjusted. And quite frankly, I’d prefer my child be more like the Dugger children than many of the kids I see coming out of the public school systems.

I may not personally agree with the Dugger’s way of life, but anyone who watches the show on the Learning Channel with an open mind might just see something positive there that they weren’t expecting. I would highly recommend their show for all the liberals who thinks the government can do thing better than a close loving family like the Duggers.


23 posted on 09/02/2009 3:22:57 PM PDT by Korah
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To: humblegunner

They do, too.

They have a set time to spend with each child.


24 posted on 09/02/2009 3:24:44 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: humblegunner

Rosemond’s Bill of Rights for Children:

Because it is the most character-building, two-letter word in the English language, children have the right to hear their parents say “No” at least three times a day.

Children have the right to find out early in their lives that their parents don’t exist to make them happy, but to offer them the opportunity to learn the skills they will need to eventually make themselves happy.

Children have a right to scream all they want over the decisions their parents make, albeit their parents have the right to confine said screaming to certain areas of their homes.

Children have the right to find out early that their parents care deeply for them but don’t give a hoot what their children think about them at any given moment in time.

Because it is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, children have the right to hear their parents say “Because I said so” on a regular and frequent basis.

Because it is the most character-building activity a child can engage in, children have the right to share significantly in the doing of household chores.

Every child has the right to discover early in life that he isn’t the center of the universe (or his family or his parents’ lives), that he isn’t a big fish in a small pond, and that he isn’t the Second Coming, so as to prevent him from becoming an insufferable brat.

Children have the right to learn to be grateful for what they receive, therefore, they have the right to receive all of what they truly need and very little of what they simply want.

Children have the right to learn early in their lives that obedience to legitimate authority is not optional, that there are consequences for disobedience, and that said consequences are memorable and, therefore, persuasive.

Every child has the right to parents who love him/her enough to make sure he/she enjoys all of the above rights.


25 posted on 09/02/2009 3:25:17 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: humblegunner

Ditto.


26 posted on 09/02/2009 3:26:19 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (I am Sarah Palin. I am the NRA.)
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To: Popman

“Perhaps they were the inspiration for Idiocracy.

Based on your comment, it sounds like you got a head start.”

I liked your subtle, but definitive, squelch.

As I asked a rancher who is a friend, “If you want a high yield herd, do you start with a range cow or a pedigreed cow?”

He wanted to know if I was going to marry the model who was helping me video an active rookery on his ranch. She was pretty, but not beautiful, and not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

In human terms, it is ladies & gentlemen v. sluts & nuts.
When government was allowed to subsidize the production of bastards, it got a bumper crop.

I find it interesting to note the qualitative differences between large families produced by people committed to the historic American premises and the offspring produced by “single parent ‘families’” subsidized by the government.


27 posted on 09/02/2009 3:29:10 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: FredJake
My wife and I raised six children, the last is in his senior year of high school.

I can not tell how many times while we were out as a family we were asked if we were Catholic, Mormon, etc, etc.

Many times people would ask why we had so many kids if we could not afford them, just assuming we were on some type of government dole. I never took a dime from any form of government.

After a while I developed a form of mockery to put these idiots in their place. When they would assume my wife and I were welfare king and queen by having six kids, I would tell them, "You are right, we have too many kids, so you get to pick the ones I will get rid of, please pick two or three to your liking. We are going to do a post abortion tonight and you are welcome to watch"

After the shock and I had their attention, I would explain it is none of your business how many kids I have as long as I don't take a dime out of your pocket, which I never have, then hand them a quarter and tell them to call someone who care what they think.

I only had one person call the police!

28 posted on 09/02/2009 3:29:42 PM PDT by Popman (Obama "may" be a US citizen, but he's not an American)
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To: nmh

I’m sure they might not need it, but they do have a reality tv show on cable. It’s called 18 Kids and Counting, which they’ll soon have to change to 19 and Counting.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/18-kids-and-counting/duggar-family.html


29 posted on 09/02/2009 3:29:49 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Politicalmom
They have a set time to spend with each child.

One night every three weeks?

Do the math.

Those poor kids.

30 posted on 09/02/2009 3:31:58 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: OldSpice
Perhaps stretching this exploration too far, there is a need to recognize that the desperate search for unity at every level of society cannot be achieved through multiplication and differentiation alone.

The desperate search is for an escape from the consequences of our sin. We are called to love the one true God, our creator first. To love God is to be in unity with Him. Then we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves but not necessarily be in "unity" with them. Every soul is an eternal being. Eternity is big enough for everybody.

Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

31 posted on 09/02/2009 3:33:22 PM PDT by Theophilus (Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?)
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To: firebrand; Not gonna take it anymore; MamaB; GladesGuru; Dan(9698)

From the Article,

As of 2 September 2009, the Earth’s population is estimated by the United States Census Bureau to be 6.781 billion. That is a lot of people, and the earth worshipers believe that number is way too high for the planet to properly sustain life. Sadly, very few people realize how preposterous the idea of mankind overpopulating the earth really is. If you take into consideration the latest figures that shows the average human family contains a Mother a Father and 2.5 children, than you will be surprised to learn that the world’s population would fit comfortably inside the borders of the country of Australia.

By calculating the number of acres just in Australia alone, you may be shocked at how very unpopulated the earth really is. There are 1,899,461,760 acres of land in the continent of Australia. At 43,560 square feet per acre, that means there is a grand total of 82,740,554,265,600 square feet in Australia. Now, consider that the latest figures for the estimated size of an average family lot with a 2,200 square foot house in the year 2010 will be 11,870 square feet. Now if we calculate the size of the average human family which is 4.5 humans, you will see that every family could actually have a house with a lot size of 54,908 square feet, which is about 4½ times the size that your local city planning commission will allow you to have. That my friends, would leave the rest of the world for food production and other raw material collection.

Now these numbers get even better when you factor in the new technology we have that would allow for super high density populations, such as 1000+ unit apartment complexes. Then when you take into account the portion of the world’s population that is under the age of 18. You could probably give a couple acres to each family of the entire world and comfortably fit them all in Australia. Also, Australia is the smallest continent on the planet, whereas Asia has 477,820,303,488,000 sq/ft and Africa has 32,554,273,973,760 sq/ft. Finally, if you took the amount of habitable land in the world 1,449,676,800,000,000 sq/ft and divided it by the world’s population, you could theoretically give each person, regardless of age, 213,785 square feet of land, which would be about 4.9 acres per person.


32 posted on 09/02/2009 3:33:52 PM PDT by Korah
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To: GladesGuru
When government was allowed to subsidize the production of bastards, it got a bumper crop.

Well put !!!

33 posted on 09/02/2009 3:35:17 PM PDT by Popman (Obama "may" be a US citizen, but he's not an American)
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To: Korah

“There are 1,899,461,760 acres of land in the continent of Australia.”

Almost all of it, as desert.


34 posted on 09/02/2009 3:36:54 PM PDT by OldSpice
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To: humblegunner

I suppose you think they ignore the children while they homeschool them and so on. Both parents are home with the children every day. I bet they spend more time with their children than many parents who shove their children into daycare.


35 posted on 09/02/2009 3:37:29 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: humblegunner

Oh, but they do. Those kids are whole, wholesome, and holy kids. I wish all our children were brought up like they are.


36 posted on 09/02/2009 3:39:20 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: humblegunner

And your math is wrong.


37 posted on 09/02/2009 3:39:33 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: humblegunner
Those poor kids.

Thank God for them and for them. They are truly blessed to be alive, in the Dugger family, in the church, to not be spoiled and to have each other. God willing, many generations from now their many descendants will still be blessing this nation and world and it is certain that they will enjoy each other for the rest of eternity. May God continue to glorify himself in the Dugger family!

38 posted on 09/02/2009 3:39:56 PM PDT by Theophilus (Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?)
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To: FredJake

Congratulations to the Duggers. I am happy for them.


39 posted on 09/02/2009 3:41:30 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Popman

We have a family of 12 in our church. They’ve all turned out pretty well. We also have several families with four to six children or more. Nobody’s on welfare, but times can be tough even so. They’re all loved and wonderful kids.


40 posted on 09/02/2009 3:42:12 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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