Posted on 09/01/2009 6:10:29 PM PDT by RobinMasters
WND has found new evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham, President Obama's mother, was in Seattle in August 1961, within days of her son's birth, contrary to the accepted narrative.
In a video that has been removed from the Internet since the 2008 presidential campaign, Susan Blake, a high school friend of Obama's mother, gave an interview in which she discussed seeing Dunham shortly after Barack Obama Jr.'s Aug. 4, 1961, birth.
The video can be seen here:
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Okay, and where's the evidence she travelled to Kenya? For what plausible reason would she travel there?
As far as I can see, there is none.
One-way honeymoon boat trip to Kenya, marriage takes place there, he flies back to Honolulu for spring semester and she stays with his family till after Barry 0 is born.
There are two transcripts. One is a copy of the original, fill it in as you go "card", with typed entries. The other is a printout. They both have the same dates for class attendence. The "printout" doesn't distinguish between correpsondence and extension. The other one does, and shows all four courses (from Autumn '61 and Winter '62) to be "extension". The Spring '62 classes were a regular admitance.
Taking extension courses, can be explained by her poor GPA from U. Hawaii (1.8), because there is no real admission requirement. She also only transfered two course from U. HI. whereas a normally load, especially for a bright student as she was reported to be, would be more like 4 or 5 classes. IIRC, I carried 15 hours first semester freshman year, just 8 years later. That was 4 classes, but math was 5 credit hours and chemistry was 4.
I really don't see why you birthers see the move to Seattle to be so significant.
Because it conflicts with his "legend" and book. It also doesn't make a lot of sense, it would have been much cheaper to stay in Hawaii. They would have let her come back on "probation", or let her take extension courses, in spite of that terrible first semester.
Why would she travel there? To marry legally and have a place to gestate without shame. Teenager pregnant by an African man, estranged from her family, too young to marry without their permission, sails to Kenya with him where multiple marriages are legal. She’s stashed there for the duration of the pregnancy.
Evidence she was in Kenya? Try this: where’s the evidence she was anywhere at all from December, 1960 until August, 1961? None so far.
Go back and read, please.
Okay, but extension courses didn't start until Sept., so I don't see what the big deal is.
Because it conflicts with his "legend" and book.
I didn't read his book, and I don't plan to. How exactly does it conflict? And why is the conflict important?
since he wasn't old enough to remember anything from 1961, I don't see how getting a few things wrong in those early years is in any way important.
It also doesn't make a lot of sense, it would have been much cheaper to stay in Hawaii.
It makes a lot of sense if Stanley wanted to get away from her new husband due to marital difficulties. It is already in the public domain their relationship was troubled by 1962. I don't find it all that hard to believe their troubles started a year earlier. Do you?
If she wanted to leave Honolulu in order to get away from her husband, Seattle would be the most logical place for her to go, given that she had support network there.
Nice story. Too bad there's not a shred of evidence to back it up.
Evidence she was in Kenya? Try this: where’s the evidence she was anywhere at all from December, 1960 until August, 1961? None so far.
And that proves she was in Kenya how?
They called her "Toot"
A few also recalled being there with them when Barack was born.
In all fairness, no one is saying that now. There is also the possibility that the grandmothers were confused, as Barak the elder married a second white woman.
I thought Toot was his grandmother.
Who, exactly?
A few also recalled being there with them when Barack was born.
That is not true.
They called her "Toot"
Actually, Toot was the nickname of Bambi's grandma. It apparently derives from a Hawaiian word for grandma.
Thanks, David. Good post.
~ Must be over the target again; the trolls are in a frenzy.
Frenzy (n)
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I'm sure that happened all the time. </sarcasm>
Why would the U.S. have diplomatic representation in a British colony?
Almost correct. They do recognize common law marriages entered into in other states.
However I was just using that as an example of where one might not have a marriage license.
This page, a checklist for divorce on Oahu, doesn't say anything about needing a copy of the marriage license, or other proof of marriage. This Matrimonial Action Information form asks for the date and place of marriage, but no supporting information such as a certificate number. Both forms are from the State of Hawaii. None of the other divorce forms on that site seem to involve providing a copy of the marriage license either. Nothing on the divorce site indicates that a copy of the license is needed.
Don't get me wrong, I find that very strange, but that seems to be the way it is.
They wouldn't be the first young married couple to split shortly after the birth of their first child.
"Toot" was short for "Tutu". Tutu is Hawaiian for grandmother.
Anna Toot was a great-grandmother of Stanley Ann. She was well thought of and admired in the family.
There has been speculation that the under-aged Stanley Ann used Anna Toot as an alias.
The Kenyan in-laws either called her "Toot" as a sign of respect. (Remember when we used to respect our elders, or are you too young?) or because they thought Toot was her name.
Like all thing relating to 0bama, the waters are very muddied. One might think he's deliberately trying to obfuscate something big.
At any rate, according to Time, the divorce records say they were married on Maui:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html
Even if they didn't have to prove their marriage to the court, I would find it very hard to believe they would be so stupid as to risk a perjury conviction and lie to the court about being married within the same state that they are filing for divorce. It would be really easy for the court clerk to verify that information. For what possible reason would anyone take that risk?
It makes no sense.
That is plausible. Although IMHO still kind of unlikely More likely a two way boat trip starting as soon as U of HI finished the Spring '61 semester. She might have planned to stay in Kenya after the birth, but after finding out about the reality of polygamy, changed her mind, but then was stuck until sometime after the birth.
Must be thinking of someone else because this is the first I can recall hearing about it. But I'm not up on all the latest birther stories.
There has been speculation that the under-aged Stanley Ann used Anna Toot as an alias.
Yes, where would you be without mindless speculation?
The Kenyan in-laws either called her "Toot" as a sign of respect. (Remember when we used to respect our elders, or are you too young?) or because they thought Toot was her name.
An 18 year old elder? And Kenyans fluent in Hawaiian, too. What a small world.
It does if it shows a birth in Kenya!. That being the whole point of the "birth certificate" wing of the Birther Nation. :)
Care to document that statement. There is all sorts of divorce information on the 'net. Find a requirement, one from Hawaii would be good, that requires the marriage certificate to be filed as part of the divorce paperwork.
Now I hope they were married, but in Kenya, but I've seen no evidence other than the divorce decree, indicating that they were.
It conflicts because he and others have said that his father left his mother in Hawaii when he went off to Harvard. But we now know she wasn't there to be left. She was in Seattle, and had been for 10 months or so.
A man with a big ego doesn't write a book, two books actually, about himself without at least checking out a few facts, especially when as you say, of events he could have no personal knowledge of. All he had do was pick up the phone and call his grandmother. She had to know.
Thus he's probably concealing something behind that legend
It makes a lot of sense if Stanley wanted to get away from her new husband due to marital difficulties. It is already in the public domain their relationship was troubled by 1962. I don't find it all that hard to believe their troubles started a year earlier. Do you?
Not at all. I tend to think the marriage, if it existed at all, was one of expediancy and that they never lived together as a couple.
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