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To: AU72
God is eternal.

The Universe is contingent and transient.

The funny thing is all the thoughtless atheists who think they are asking an unanswerable question when they say "Where did God come from?" or "Who made God?", when all the while they believe in an uncreated, eternal Nature. The issue is not whether we believe in something uncreated and self-existent. We all do, in some form.

The issue is what belief is the most parsimonious and avoids pitfalls of logic or violations of natural law. For example, the naturalistic position violates the unity principle, by asserting that the same law of causality that governs everything in the universe somehow fails to hold true for the universe as a whole. By contrast, the creationist position is that natural laws and nature itself were created by a transcendant source that is not subject to the laws He created. Thus the irrationality of asserting something had to make God, because the answer is that the law of cause and effect wasn't operative until God began to create (at which point it implicitly came into being).

7 posted on 09/01/2009 9:19:32 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970
The funny thing is all the thoughtless atheists who think they are asking an unanswerable question when they say "Where did God come from?" or "Who made God?", when all the while they believe in an uncreated, eternal Nature.

And they think they're being pretty clever when they do that, as well.

9 posted on 09/01/2009 9:35:28 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Liberty1970
By contrast, the creationist position is that natural laws and nature itself were created by a transcendant source that is not subject to the laws He created.

Fair enough. Could you continue, though, by saying that He furthermore created everything on Earth (and elsewhere) using the same transcendent means that are also not subject to natural laws and nature itself?

I, as an atheist and one who accepts evolution, would not argue with that - for I could not. I'd have absolutely NO problem with that contention, as it is admitting that God and His creation transcends natural law and tehrefore, science. If all creationists could admit that, and not bludgeon us with silly articles purporting to BE scientific, I think we could all move on fruitfully.
10 posted on 09/01/2009 11:03:22 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: Liberty1970

Not one single person who ever sprang that stupid question on me ever let me answer, either.


14 posted on 09/01/2009 4:49:26 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Liberty1970

The Universal Question has been answered by the computer Deep Thought. It was pondered for so long that by the time it was answered the care takers forgot the question.

Deep Thought’s answer was forty-two. Some argued that 40-2 is actually 38 but there are heretics. The ultimate answer is forty-two.


15 posted on 09/01/2009 4:54:08 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . fasl el-khital)
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