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Doesn't that seem like a lot of ammo for a law enforcement agency?
1 posted on 08/31/2009 6:52:12 PM PDT by Greystoke
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2 posted on 08/31/2009 6:52:46 PM PDT by Greystoke (For God, for family and for country.)
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Doesn't that seem like a lot of ammo for a law enforcement agency?

Depends on their mission...

4 posted on 08/31/2009 6:53:53 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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Too bad the contract wasn’t for the Border Patrol...but then, they aren’t really allowed to use their ammunition anyway.


6 posted on 08/31/2009 6:54:20 PM PDT by SandWMan (While you may not be able to legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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"40 cal."

What would that be, exactly?

7 posted on 08/31/2009 6:56:50 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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Trying to stock up to combat citizens in revolution, I guess...or hoping to scare people, or both.


9 posted on 08/31/2009 6:59:45 PM PDT by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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Most of it will be used for training/familiarization with handguns.


10 posted on 08/31/2009 7:01:16 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR "PALIN"!)
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Great... There’s another that will be tough to be, along with Lake City 5.56.


11 posted on 08/31/2009 7:01:30 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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200M over 5 years, 40M per year. Enough for 35,000 people to do 100 rounds of practice shooting per month.

But law enforcement, outside of special units, really don't do all that much firearms training. And ICE only has 18K employees TOTAL.

So either every file clerk and secretary in ICE is getting a lot of range time, or they are doing something strange.

14 posted on 08/31/2009 7:02:12 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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I gather that Homeland Security is planning to standardize their firearm of choice as a .40 Glock, which is already preferred by the FBI, I believe.

Bureaucrats love standardization, because it makes procurement easier. But truth be told, 200 million rounds is not that much, if you calculate annual training.

However, it is still a good idea that individual States be encouraged to create laws providing for State production and use of ammunition, that is, to make it easy for ammo makers to produce non-federally regulated ammo just for use within that State.


20 posted on 08/31/2009 7:09:31 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Good stuff


You can never have too much ammo.


28 posted on 08/31/2009 7:28:26 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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“Doesn’t that seem like a lot of ammo for a law enforcement agency?”

Given that the average LEO can’t hit a barn he is inside of, not too much at all. Since they are the point of the spear in dealing with the upcoming terrorist attacks, they need range time and ammo.

As far as the tyranny aspect, it is of note that the citizens bought well over 700 million rounds of all sorts of ammo in the time since Obama was elected.

Somehow, when the public out buys the police by something like 15 to one, I don’t think the citizen need fear the police purchase of ammo.

As a comparison, the US military bought 1,000 million rounds for last year.

What the citizens should fear is goobers in all levels of gooberment agencies that have closed ranges needed by both cops and citizens.


29 posted on 08/31/2009 7:28:38 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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Doesn't that seem like a lot of ammo for a law enforcement agency?

I was thinking the same thing.

On the other hand, since Winchester is unlikely to use Federal primers, maybe the supply situation will improve a bit. Wish I'd bought a million Federal 205Ms two years ago. They've appreciated better than gold.

34 posted on 08/31/2009 7:38:13 PM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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Wow! That is 1 1/2 rounds for every moderate and conservative in America.


45 posted on 08/31/2009 8:29:27 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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You mean the government actually awarded an American company a contract and was wondering the same thing; why all the ammo?


47 posted on 08/31/2009 8:38:24 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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This probably means I won’t be able to find Winchester white box ammo on the shelves for another 5 years.


50 posted on 08/31/2009 8:54:34 PM PDT by Nachoman (Think of life as an adventure you don't survive.)
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So, there's like 10,000 of these guys.

What are they going to do with 200mil rounds of hollow point ammo. You don't use hollow point for target practice.

20,000 rounds each.

I suspect we'll see a SUBSTANTIAL expansion of the Dept.

52 posted on 08/31/2009 9:07:37 PM PDT by Mariner
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"Doesn't that seem like a lot of ammo for a law enforcement agency? "

Nope! Just the government finding ways to corner the market in order to keep the ammo out of American hands.

56 posted on 09/01/2009 2:23:37 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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http://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/accessories/press-releases/1640496-Winchester-Wins-FBI-40-S-W-Ammunition-Contract/

December 14, 2007

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has awarded Winchester® Ammunition the single largest ammunition contract in the history of federal law enforcement worth a maximum of $54 million.

Winchester Ammunition will produce 40 S&W service ammunition, training ammunition, reduced lead training ammunition and frangible ammunition for the FBI for one base year, with four, one-year renewal options.

“The innovation behind the enhanced 40 S&W bonded service round is a testament to our Winchester engineers and the quality of our manufacturing,” said Dick Hammett, president, Winchester Ammunition.

Winchester’s enhanced 40 S&W service ammunition is a 180-grain, bonded jacketed hollow point round and was selected over all other rounds that were tested. The FBI tests the terminal ballistics of each round by shooting a specific test protocol through various barriers such as heavy cloth, wallboard, plywood, steel and auto glass into ballistic gelatin.

In addition to the FBI, the contract affects many agencies both inside and outside the Department of Justice, including the Drug Enforcement Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and U.S. Marshal Service.

“On behalf of Winchester, we are extremely proud that our nation’s premier law enforcement agency has selected Winchester ammunition to use in its mission of protecting and defending the United States,” said Hammett.

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MORE...

Sometimes funding works that way; usually it is not that simple. In fact, anything with the government or its organizations that looks simple at first is far from simple later on.

Maybe it will be filled. Possibly it won’t.

In Jan 2008, the FBI gave two contracts to Winchester:

$54 million for 180gn .40 S&W rounds (estimated 200 million rounds) + $54 million for 147gn 9mm Para rounds (estimated 270 million rounds). Both of these are 5 year contracts. The FBI has 13,000-14,000 agents.

All can be verified by public information at the FBI site or http://www.policeone.com

Decide from that what you wish.

My opinion, if they do have sinister intentions...hopefully they don’t, but...shame, shame, shame on the bastards for bringing pistols to a rifle fight.

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?s=50252aeedd5775dc0915e62e3602ff8f&p=502445#post502445


63 posted on 09/05/2009 7:14:28 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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Wow, a guy could have a lot of fun on the range with that many rounds! I wonder how long it would take to shoot them all?:)(I know simple math but I’m tired right now!)


64 posted on 09/05/2009 8:31:45 PM PDT by calex59 (Hope for a new job counts for creating a job! The dimwits are truly insane.)
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