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PCB politics
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | August 31, 2009 | Editorial

Posted on 08/31/2009 11:14:47 AM PDT by Graybeard58

They were warned. Over many years, PCBs used by General Electric in the production of transformers and other electrical equipment wound up in the Hudson and Housatonic rivers. GE broke no laws when it released the PCBs, which can cause cancer when consumed in huge quantities but are all but harmless when dispersed in silt along many miles of river bottom. Principled members of the environmental community were torn. Should it be dredged, at enormous cost to GE, its customers and shareholders, and taxpayers? Or should it be left alone, in the reasonable expectation technology would present a better way to manage the problem?

The Environmental Protection Agency and other dredge-it-out advocates won. GE has removed silt from a heavily contaminated section of the Housatonic at Pittsfield, Mass., and is evaluating mitigation alternatives downstream. And extensive dredging of PCB-contaminated silt is continuing, albeit haltingly, in the Hudson.

Twice in the last month, the $750 million cleanup of the upper Hudson has been suspended because PCBs kicked up by the dredging are drifting downriver. Adding insult to injury, one of the dredges tore out a section of Fort Edward, built by the British before the Revolutionary War.

Meanwhile, scientists have been developing bacteria that neutralize PCBs. This technology has potential to clean contaminated areas cheaply and thoroughly without dispersing the pollutants to a larger area or destroying archaeological sites.

Of course, GE is shelling out hundreds of millions to deal with the problem the way the EPA wants it dealt with: enormous cost, with lots of money to be made by contractors that specialize in dredging, transportation of contaminated materials, and removal and disposal of the contaminants. As always in such cases, skeptics should follow the money.


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1 posted on 08/31/2009 11:14:47 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: surroundedinCT; Holding Our Breath; SuperLuminal; LurkedLongEnough; HoosierHawk; RJL; ...

Ping to a Republican-American Editorial.

If you want on or off this list, let me know.


2 posted on 08/31/2009 11:15:19 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( In just two days from now, tomorrow will be yesterday. Selah.)
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Thanks for the ping Graybeard.


3 posted on 08/31/2009 11:27:37 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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Sorry, pcb’s are not carcinogenic. it is another one of “the big lies” and tort lawyer fantasies.

Pittsfield MA, a GE plant used and manufactured items filled with PCB oil for 50 years, and had an employee cancer rate 22% lower than the general population.

PCB poison is a horrible hoax.

4 posted on 08/31/2009 11:31:59 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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Much like the new light bulbs....they are filled with mercury. People will not dispose of them in a sealed locked, vault. Mercury in water will increase. But hey, it’s Iran’s buddy, Obama’s buddy’ GE, after all.


5 posted on 08/31/2009 11:36:33 AM PDT by Freddd (Government run health care=paying more and being denied what we already have.)
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Let us not forget the government forced manufacturers to continue to use asbestos as a class-a fireproofing material until 1978. This included consumer products, including the brakes on your car...
6 posted on 08/31/2009 11:40:14 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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“Sorry, pcb’s are not carcinogenic. it is another one of “the big lies” and tort lawyer fantasies.”

PCBs cause tumors in RATS but not humans.

The dredging debacle is the result of 2 incompetant GE managers who were too stupid to understand biodegradation and chose to abandon a winning argument for an engineering solution.


7 posted on 08/31/2009 11:40:35 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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Ya think?? I live right in the middle of all that...

GE brownfields, Schenectady.
ALCO, Waterveliet,
National Lead, Colonie,
Knolls Atomic, Schenectady,
BASF Renesselear,
Norton Abrasives, Granville
Grace Minerals, Albany
Atlantic Cement..

On, and on, and on....

8 posted on 08/31/2009 11:45:20 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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It seems to be much kinder to humans than it is to animals, if Wikipedia has it right. It can kill birds through liver damage, and large amounts have caused cancer in rats. Liver damage in humans has been suggested through blood work, and it is a known cause of chloracne. It is not a human teratogen. The stuff is almost chemically nonreactive and is terribly difficult to destroy.


9 posted on 08/31/2009 11:50:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Proud Sarah-Bot.)
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To: xcamel

“Ya think?? I live right in the middle of all that...”

We’re probably neighbors.


10 posted on 08/31/2009 11:51:54 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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Biodegradation can get rid of some but not all forms of PCB, and it’s tricky to unleash it in nature because the germies often prefer to eat other food sources.


11 posted on 08/31/2009 11:52:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Proud Sarah-Bot.)
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What I don’t understand is how it ever came to be dumped. It was a valuable product and GE wouldn’t have wanted to lose any.


12 posted on 08/31/2009 11:55:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Proud Sarah-Bot.)
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“...and it is a known cause of chloracne”

I think the chloracne is caused only when it was accidentally mixed with cooking oil. The high temp converted the PCBs to chlorinated dibenzothiphenes which produced chloracne.


13 posted on 08/31/2009 11:57:24 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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I would have hated to have eaten those French Fries.


14 posted on 08/31/2009 11:59:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Proud Sarah-Bot.)
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Meanwhile, sex between fudgepackers, which has far more pr oven health hazards, is provided with special mandated coverage for its consequences for all health insurance sold in states like Delaware where the gay lobby has sufficient political power to enshrine their politically protected aberrant behavior.
15 posted on 08/31/2009 12:00:37 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“What I don’t understand is how it ever came to be dumped. It was a valuable product and GE wouldn’t have wanted to lose any.”

Accidental spills probably. I think it was pretty cheap back then.


16 posted on 08/31/2009 12:01:18 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Yeah, this stuff sounds like its biological effects are on a par with paraffin wax or petroleum jelly.


17 posted on 08/31/2009 12:03:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Proud Sarah-Bot.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not even that bad.


18 posted on 08/31/2009 12:09:36 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Hacklehead

I had a nasty case of chloracne on the back of my hands after a transformer release. No lasting effects.


19 posted on 08/31/2009 12:12:38 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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It got dumped because it was cheap, used in almost every area where fire-suppression was key and there were no rules regarding disposal.

“Just squeegie it down the drain, Cletus!”


20 posted on 08/31/2009 12:14:00 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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