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Flat incomes raise doubts about economic recovery
yahoo ^ | Fri Aug 28, 4:27 pm ET | Martin Crutzinger

Posted on 08/29/2009 7:11:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Household income in the United States is essentially stagnant, raising doubts about whether consumers already hurt by job losses can sustain an economic recovery.

The now-ended Cash for Clunkers program helped lift consumer spending last month and is expected to deliver a bigger boost in August. But any economic rebound likely would falter if shoppers lack the income to spend more in the long run.

Especially in the U.S., consumer spending is essential: It drives about 70 percent of economic activity — more than for most European nations and well above the rates in developing countries such as China.

U.S. retailers already are paying the price for flat income growth and weak consumer spending. A survey of big retail chains showed that shoppers remained tightfisted in July. That raised fears not just about back-to-school sales but also about the make-or-break holiday shopping season.

"Consumers just don't have the financial firepower to go out and spend more," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "Unless businesses curtail their job cuts, the recovery could very well peter out."

Americans' purchasing power has been battered by the 6.7 million jobs that have vanished since the recession began in December 2007. Companies also have cut costs by forcing workers to take unpaid days off or to work only part time.

And some consumers have pared their spending because their pay hasn't kept pace with their expenses or because they're using more money to save or reduce debt. Personal incomes were unchanged in July, the Commerce Department said Friday. It was the eighth month out of the past 10 in which incomes have either fallen or failed to grow.

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1 posted on 08/29/2009 7:11:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

All of the increase in consumer spending since, oh, 1999 or so has been driven by an increase in consumer borrowing, not an increase in household income.

The arguments that the Bush economic recovery didn’t result in an increase in household wages were ignored by conservatives, to our peril. This was the canary in the coal mine, so to speak, that there was a coming debt bubble in the country. The negative rates of savings by late 2005 were the most ominous indicator, and were ignored by everyone in DC.

Ultimately, as it turns out, negative rates of savings are not sustainable.

Golly, who wouldathunkit?


2 posted on 08/29/2009 7:14:20 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: BenLurkin
Zero's economy and plan.

Can't wait until the Cash for Clunkers people get a 1099 for $4500. Less democratic voters.

3 posted on 08/29/2009 7:14:28 PM PDT by scooby321 (and)
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To: BenLurkin

What if instead of Cash for Clunkers, the Bummer simply had issued tax rebates out of the $3B that Congress had allocated for it?


4 posted on 08/29/2009 7:15:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: BenLurkin
"Consumers just don't have the financial firepower to go out and spend more," said Mark Zandi,

No ***t Sherlock. Could it be pay cut, no raise, tax increases. Just glad I have employment and I hope I still have the job this time next year. Who in the heck wants to spend money when doubts about the future are so prevalent.

5 posted on 08/29/2009 7:15:29 PM PDT by A message (3 years 4 months 3 weeks until Jim Thompson is President)
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To: BenLurkin
How's that hopey changey thing working out for you?
6 posted on 08/29/2009 7:15:33 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: scooby321

They promised they wouldn’t, but that means nothing.


7 posted on 08/29/2009 7:15:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: NVDave

Largely driven by soaring home prices. Banks were falling over one another to offer the best second mortgage lines of credit.


8 posted on 08/29/2009 7:17:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: BenLurkin

Now would be a really great time to grant citizenship to 20 million poor people.


9 posted on 08/29/2009 7:19:53 PM PDT by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: wafflehouse; Leisler; PAR35; TigerLikesRooster; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; ...
*Ping!*
10 posted on 08/29/2009 7:25:12 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy

Bush legacy ping!


11 posted on 08/29/2009 7:26:13 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: BenLurkin

Wow, no one is getting richer.

The left must be very proud of themselves, they’ve killed economic growth. The kepitelest swine are suffering—perfect!

All hail our dear leader!


12 posted on 08/29/2009 7:26:46 PM PDT by Boucheau ("Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism." - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yes, that is true.

But, as everyone learned (the hard way), those “prices” were ephemeral - ie, mere guesses as to value.

The single most important fact that bankers overlooked in this was that their easy lending standards were THE reason why home valuations were going up in the first place. As soon as the bankers got scared and started actually qualifying borrowers, home valuations were going to come down.


13 posted on 08/29/2009 7:29:00 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: BenLurkin
The now-ended Cash for Clunkers program helped lift consumer spending last month and is expected to deliver a bigger boost in August.

The funny thing is that they didn't even use all of it. If demand was anything like it was built up to be at the end, then they should have gone through all of it. As it was, they still hadn't used over $100,000,000 when it ended.

What I'm saying is that everyone who had plans of buying a new car in the near future may have bought one during CFC, so demand may be very low for the next few months if not years.

14 posted on 08/29/2009 7:31:44 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Hey Nancy, how many jobs have been lost since you and the Democrats took Congress?)
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To: NVDave

Try since 1989.


15 posted on 08/29/2009 7:50:29 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: BenLurkin

Someone ought to tell the idiots at Yahell that a temporary bump in vehicle sales means those are cars that WON’T be sold in September and beyond. And how much can the economy recover when incomes are flat, inflation is just around the corner, and nobody knows if they’ll have a job tomorrow.


16 posted on 08/29/2009 7:57:44 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: BenLurkin

“Household income in the United States is essentially stagnant, raising doubts about whether consumers already hurt by job losses can sustain an economic recovery.”
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What has never begun cannot be sustained! The talk of recovery is the babbling of desperate men. One who is drowning will grasp at a straw to try to stay above water. There IS NO RECOVERY AND THERE WILL NOT BE ONE ANY TIME SOON. Anyone who had any doubt about media bias need only look at the insane talk of recovery backed by nothing more real than frog’s hair and hen’s teeth and reflect on how the media would be presenting this if a Republican were in the White House. If John McCain occupied the oval office unemployment would have to go down to four per cent before the media would allow that there might be some hint of a recovery sometime in the future.


17 posted on 08/29/2009 7:58:28 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: NVDave
We have to pay down debt and then save up to buy what we want. Dave Ramsey's plan, but on a national as well as personal scale. ObamaCare Jokes Obama Jokes
18 posted on 08/29/2009 8:13:48 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: BenLurkin
A survey of big retail chains showed that shoppers remained tightfisted in July.

With 15% unemployment, it's a little more than just being "tightfisted"...

19 posted on 08/29/2009 8:25:37 PM PDT by GOPJ (CT Scan in Canada? Vet clinics can get a dog in next day. People? Waitinglist is a month.STOSSEL)
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To: Boucheau
That's the plan. The Democrats want to balance the economy by socializing it. When consumers drive 70% the government just doesn't have enough power. Under Obama they want to drive the government up and consumers down. That's what the stimulus bill was intended to do.

Now that a few more have realized just what Obama meant by change they are having second thoughts about letting government mismanage more of the economy by turning over their health care and higher energy taxes through Cap and Trade.

20 posted on 08/29/2009 8:32:06 PM PDT by eggman (Obama's Spread the Wealth will work just as well as Spread the Liabilities (sub-prime mortgages))
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