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Obama's Vatican ambassador arrives in Rome
cna ^ | August 27, 2009

Posted on 08/27/2009 12:44:55 PM PDT by NYer

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I hope somebody has a camera rolling when the Obama minion gets a drop of holy water on him and bursts into flames.


21 posted on 08/27/2009 2:40:43 PM PDT by John Titor
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He looks like a lousy, left-wing, multi-culti, racist appointment. But so far the only pro-abortion signs that have turned up are his support of Sebelius and Obama, and his recommendation by groups that support abortion.

Well, we’ll see. I suppose the Vatican decided that it was somewhat pointless to turn down a fourth Obama candidate for the ambassadorship. If he’s a loser, they will just ignore him. He’s not about to convert Pope Benedict to the abortion camp or the liberation theology camp. If he is what I think he is, it just means that US-Vatican relations will be on a back burner for the next few years, which would have been the case in any event with Obama in the White House.


22 posted on 08/27/2009 2:52:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: livius; Steelfish
He’s from Florida and while he looks like the queen of the month, I think he’s married.

Actually, he is Cuban and yes, he is married with 4 children. Let's cut him some slack; the Vatican did.

23 posted on 08/27/2009 4:06:50 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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Actually, I think he’s a particularly dangerous appointment. One of the reasons he was chosen is because he’s on some sort of “Hispanic Catholic” group that worked for Obama during the election.

Unfortunately, Hispanic Catholics receive really lousy catechesis, which in many cases is nothing but a sort of bilingual 1970’s “social justice” rehash where they learn nothing of God, the Faith, or ethics and the Christian life, and a lot about how a “just society” means that the government gives you things.

Abortion has made huge inroads among Hispanic Catholics because they have been targeted by groups like Planned Parenthood...mainly because they have so little formation in their Catholicism and are very eager to adopt what they perceive to be American behavior. Planned Parenthood also, oddly, pushes homosexuality in Hispanic neighborhoods by runnig condomn campaigns that depict traditional dislike of homosexuality as backwards, machista, and Old World.

So I actually think this guy is worse than some of the others. I think he will give the Vatican a distorted view of Hispanic Catholics, and at the same time, I think he will give Hispanic Catholics the idea that his heterodox moral views are acceptable to the Vatican.


24 posted on 08/27/2009 7:30:17 PM PDT by livius
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The "Vatican" is indeed a sovereign state... not a religion. The "religion" is Catholic Christianity and it is not confined to the Vatican City. At one time it occupied the much larger sovereign Papal States. There are practical political reasons why the Holy See needs its own state which may not be immediately evident to those of us who grew up in an non-confessional state that was settled by Protestants and always outside the framework of Catholic Christendom, but a review of the history of Europe since the Fall of Rome makes it clear why this is necessary.

I just want to ask, without offending, because I am not clear: WHY is it a good idea for the U.S. not to have diplomatic relations with a sovereign state with which it has no current animosities?

Regarding Kennedy's and Diaz's candidacies, though, I personally fail to see why it should have made any difference... after all, they represent a very significant strain of American Catholics who simply ignore traditional Church teachings whenever it is convenient and do we as Americans not want to send an honest image of ourselves abroad?

That said, I cannot deny the truth that I have a perverse fantasy of the spectacle of a Cafeteria Catholic Ambassador to the Holy See excommunicated while at his/her post. Of course, it is possible that that was exactly what His Holiness was trying to avoid. I suppose the timing is not quite right. Thirty years ago, maybe, or twenty-five years in the future, but we seem to be at the "trough" right now and just barely beginning to climb back up.

To my Catholic friends who STILL stand for something, they often find themselves OUTSIDE the traditional framework of the Church, having to work around “the way things are” to try and return them to how they should be.

Regrettably, yes, but it is not the first time in history: during the Arian heresy a majority of bishops either were heretics or condoned heresy. We made it then and we'll make it now, even if it is not pleasant.

25 posted on 08/28/2009 5:13:51 AM PDT by MegaSilver
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Kudos on an excellent post!


26 posted on 08/28/2009 5:39:55 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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Word on the Roman street is that one of the Ambassador’s top aides has moved to Rome - if not into the actual Ambassador’s Residence - with his . . . “partner.”

Luckily for Obama, the US Press has long-since stopped doing any research that could possibly tarnish the Idol’s gold-plating.

But the conservative new media, at least, should be checking these things out.

Not that the Obama Administration would EVER want to snub, embarrass or annoy the Holy See!


27 posted on 08/28/2009 8:29:35 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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