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Who torpedoed Fred Thompson in Iowa?
Vanity | 27 August 2009 | Question

Posted on 08/27/2009 10:21:54 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner

Back during the 2008 Iowa Cacuses, a rumor was circulated the night before that Fred Thompson was going to pull out of the race.

During an interview the next day, Thompson said he knew who was behind it, but refused to discuss beyond saying it cost him "a couple of points".

I understand during the election, nobody was going to admit who did it, certainly not until after November. OK, November came, went, and now the socialist-in-chief has everybody distracted, so, I ask:

who did it?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2008rncconvention; chat; election; fredthompson; iowa; romney; romney4obama; romneyantigop; romneyantipalin; romneyantithompson; sniff19; trick
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To: McGruff

The problem is that the primary dates are set by the individual states, even though the parties do not have to seat the delgates, see the dem debacle with Michigan and Florida. Trying to get 50 state legislatures to work together seems almost impossible. And I can’t imagine that anything coming out of D.C. would be less than a nightmare, ignoring the fact that they don’t constitutionally have the right.

Like the old saying goes: None of us is as dumb as all of us.


121 posted on 08/27/2009 4:44:31 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
In the final analysis, Fred Thompson ended his own campaign by way of disinterest: for whatever reason, he just didn't want it. I think most of us can sympathize with that decision, made by a good man with a good heart, who perhaps did not wish to subject himself to the degradation that has become part and parcel of our Presidential campaigns.

For what it's worth: the smartest, most well-connected old-school newspaperman in Washington was Robert Novak, and he had reason to believe that Mitt Romney's people were, at the time purposely trying to create a wedge between Mr. Thompson and John McCain.

He published his thoughts on the matter in his column of 1/5/08, and having read his work for over 30 years, I inferred between the lines that he had a good source informing his suspicion. He almost always did.

122 posted on 08/27/2009 4:45:24 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: TexasGunRunner

Not likely McCain. In withdrawing, Thompson threw his support behind McCain. They’d been colleagues in the Senate. Whatever can be said of him, backstabbing isn’t his style ... he’ll attack frontally. THO, he had some pretty nasty staffers, ask Gov Palin.


123 posted on 08/27/2009 4:46:38 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: MitchellC

ut aLL WORKED OUT JUST AS THE BIG $ BOYS WANTED IT TO WORK OUT, NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE SQUABBLE HERE ON FR.


124 posted on 08/27/2009 4:48:58 PM PDT by Paperdoll (DL Hunter/S Palin or S Palin/DL Hunter 2012)
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To: Pan_Yan

If you remember some states threatened to move their primary dates ahead of Iowa. Maybe that’s the only way to get the RNC’s attention.


125 posted on 08/27/2009 4:51:03 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: iowamark
Absurd. Fred Thompson was the only real conservative among the five serious candidates: McCain, Romney, Rudy, Huckster, and Fred. There were no conservative candidates besides Fred who could have beaten McCain. That is why conservatives begged Fred to run.

Except for the absurd part I agree 100% with you. Fred could have easily beaten McCain. Recall, Fred was also a great friend of McCain. Fred's campaign efforts were beyond lack luster. They were awful. He finally "hit his stride" a short time before McCain locked up the nomination. Far too late to be effective. If Fred had campaigned hard from the git go he would have won the nomination and I believe the White House. H@ll, I would have voted for him. We were taken for a ride, simple as that.

126 posted on 08/27/2009 4:53:38 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Paperdoll

Refuse to see what? Why don’t you enlighten us blind folks?


127 posted on 08/27/2009 4:54:34 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: iowamark

Mission impossible! :)


128 posted on 08/27/2009 4:57:23 PM PDT by Paperdoll (DL Hunter/S Palin or S Palin/DL Hunter 2012)
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To: rvoitier

The only viciousness is coming from you. Who were you supporting? I was for Fred until he left. Romney is far from “power-mad” as you assert. Back it up with facts, rvoitier.


129 posted on 08/27/2009 5:00:56 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: andy58-in-nh

The funny thing about that conventional ‘wisdom’ is that it is completely laughable on it’s face. Why would a man leave a high paying job and a nice life to go farting around on busses for 6 months if he didn’t want the job? Say he ran a crappy campaign. That, I’ll buy. But this ‘didn’t want the job’ bunk is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as the idea of leaving the cushy position of being Paul Harvey’s replacement AND a high paying TV gig to go screw around and get SOMEONE ELSE the damn nomination. The idea that supposedly intelligent people believe this stuff is an indictment of our public education system.


130 posted on 08/27/2009 5:01:14 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: TexasGunRunner

We are in a battle for the future of this country, and you want to rehash old facts? I wanted Fred too, but this is a waste of time. Let go and move forward.


131 posted on 08/27/2009 5:02:55 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Nuc1

Post an image, or prove yourself to be a liar.


132 posted on 08/27/2009 5:09:18 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I think at some level Fred did want the job. Perhaps he just looked at the tasks before him and weighed the risks and probabilities and decided it wasn’t going to happen. He’s a smart man. But he knew that he didn’t have the support of the big “early money” guys and the “prestige” advisers he would need. Maybe he didn’t want to put his wife through the kind of crap that less thoughtful people with bigger egos don’t care about. And I do believe that he was sabotaged, because I’ve worked on campaigns, and I’ve seen it up close and ugly.


133 posted on 08/27/2009 5:13:48 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: McGruff

I assume eventually some state will move their primary to the first Wednesday after the first Monday in November on years that are evenly divisible by four.


134 posted on 08/27/2009 5:33:48 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
Maybe he didn’t want to put his wife through the kind of crap that less thoughtful people with bigger egos don’t care about.

This does not go very well with the theory that Fred was only running because his ambitious wife MADE him do it.

135 posted on 08/27/2009 5:35:22 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: TexasGunRunner

Here in Iowa, we heard several rumors as to who started it. Nothing was able to be substantiated by any sources I trust.


136 posted on 08/27/2009 5:39:33 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Paperdoll
NOW I remember you from 2007. In 2011 I am going to see if you are supporting someone for President, so I can do anything I can do to defeat that candidate. Your judgment is so warped, and your nature is so vicious that anyone you support is ipso facto dead meat. To be sure I don't forget I am bookmarking this thread!
137 posted on 08/27/2009 5:40:52 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

I don’t believe for a second that a man of Fred’s character would run because his wife made him do it.


138 posted on 08/27/2009 5:41:23 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I think he definitely was sabotaged and I think he had an idea that if he was going to do this, he was going to do it ‘his way’ and either we’d go with him or we wouldn’t. I think he was doomed no matter what he did, because there were too many knives out for him on our own side. The Fox News people were brutal to him.

It’s all water under the bridge now. But I detest the Romney people to this day.


139 posted on 08/27/2009 5:49:21 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I agree that when the conservative contributors, ACU, National Review, and the religious right all withheld support, it was not encouraging. The religious right went with Huckabee, and NRO and the ACU followed the money to Romney.


140 posted on 08/27/2009 5:49:28 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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