Posted on 08/26/2009 6:09:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Plus, they repeatedly (and pruodly) admitted that they hadn't read it either, but we need to trust them into swallowing their ignorant view of what the health bill will do---- and not do.
Yeah, right!
Unless the “Bill” specifically states that something is NOT permitted B.O Plenty’s committee can say that it is and that will be that! This is why the bill is written in such generalities. It is a loophole bigger than the Holland tunnel.
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Yep.
BTW
http://www.breitbart.tv/obamas-92-year-old-great-uncle-attends-health-care-town-hall/
Burn it, it will disappear.
Let me remind you of this as well:
Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obamas stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.
Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.
Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).
The bills health rules will affect every individual in the United States (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.
But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and guide your doctors decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis. According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and learn to operate less like solo practitioners.
Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.
New Penalties
Hospitals and doctors that are not meaningful users of the new system will face penalties. Meaningful user isnt defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose more stringent measures of meaningful use over time (511, 518, 540-541)
What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the tough decisions elected politicians wont make.
The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschles book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept hopeless diagnoses and forgo experimental treatments, and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
Not sure if you saw this.
Yes. Saw this one. La Raza loves this bit.
The important thing to remember about Section 246 is that it ONLY applies to the "affordability credits" described in THAT subtitle. It does not apply to any other provision of the bill.
They aren't allowed to get subsidies from the government in order to help them pay for insurance, but they are not excluded from any other part of the bill, and as the other poster pointed out, it is illegal for anyone to ask about citizenship status when providing health care services.
In addition, all it takes is one anchor baby for an entire household to qualify for the "affordability credits." That's described in another part of the credit language. So the ban on illegal immigrants getting affordability credits won't apply to large numbers of illegal immigrants - a family of ten with a newborn US-citizen baby will all be 100% eligible by virtue of that baby's citizenship.
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I suggest you look at section 246 of the bill and reassess what you have written. Even just looking at the title of the section is good enough. This especially applies to the Health Insurance Exchange. Here’s a link to the bill since I don’t think you have it bookmarked anywhere: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf
I recently posted without reading all the comments (a poor decision on my part). I see the issue of section 246 is already brought up. What the “affordability credits” are applies to Health Insurance Exchange and the bill as a whole. The only way illegal immigrants would be able to get health care in this bill is to pay for it (I haven’t been able to find any documentation that says otherwise). The affordability credits apply to need-based individuals that apply for the credits—all tax-paying Americans are eligible for those credits so long as their modified adjusted gross income does not exceed 400% of the Federal poverty level. Those credits do not pay for everything; they pay a percentage of cost-sharing in basic plans only (public or private). That means that premiums are still charged. For more information on illegal immigrants in the bill visit: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2165013/are_illegal_immigrants_covered_under.html?cat=75
Again, I urge everyone to read the sections of the bill in question, see how those sections relate to the rest of the bill, and then make an informed decision that is not based on my own banter.
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