Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

ABC ^ | 2009-08-26

[SuziQ]

but talk about “stealing an election”, this would be the ultimate.

Yeah, but I don't see that stopping the Dems in the MA State Legislature from at least trying.

[70times7]

Yeah, I was wondering - shouldn't it be: "The Lyin' in the Senate"?

[BobL]

Of course they’ll still steal it, but at least we win the talking point war (finally).

[Lexinom]

I don’t agree. Think about it for a moment.

[Wally_Kalbacken]

What? The headline is so good people are going to be reposting this forever!

[TaraP]

Think about what?

What sins are not forgiveable?

[Diamond]

May God have mercy on his soul. May the perpetual light shine upon him...

There is little evidence of Ted holding up his end of the bargain...

What bargain?

God doesn't owe anybody anything.

Cordially,

[Kevmo]

So how do people become so corrupt that they will give up their souls?
***Jesus said, “if you gain the world but lose your soul, with what will you pay it back?” You can’t, and Ted K is finding that out right now. How do people become so corrupt? Just a little bit at a time. They go with the flow, and like Sarah says, only dead fish go with the flow. Ted’s fish (his soul) was lost a long time ago. At least he had those few good moments such as that quote.

[Lexinom]

It isn't the potentiality of their forgiveability. It's simply that, if God made everything, including us, then He is able to apply redemption to those who chooses, and pass by the rest. A sad, but at the same time beautiful, metaphor is that of a grain of wheat. The unsaved are like the outer chaff, They are needed to preserve the germ so that, when the time is right, the germ will sprout. The chaff, too, have great value, even though their ultimate destiny is not to eternal life. They, too, are important, God's handiwork.

God works this way, I truly believe in my heart, making all things work together for good to those who love Him.

[BlackElk]

Are you some sort of self-annointed theologian with a Bible and a few reading lessons but insufficient comprehension?

The bargain is that God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son Whose sacrifice on the cross atoned for our sins. It was in all the Bibles. Nonetheless, He gave us each free will. Some are saved because they accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and do not subsequently forfeit salvation by unrepented major misbehavior, generally known in Catholic circles as mortal sin. Some willfully reject their salvation bought by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

Teddy gave little evidence of knowing, loving and serving God in this world and therefore little evidence that he might be happy with God forever in heaven.

If you believe differently, that is nice and imaginative but your belief will not affect my own. If you want to instruct me on what I ought to believe, get back to me right after you are elected pope and not until. Take those hands off my lapels and mind your own bidness, cordially or otherwise.

[BlackElk]

Thank YOU for your graciousness and for the incredible job you do here. May God bless you and yours.

[BlackElk]

I have said nothing that you have not earned. God bless.

[Diamond]

If you believe differently, that is nice and imaginative but your belief will not affect my own. If you want to instruct me on what I ought to believe, get back to me right after you are elected pope and not until. Take those hands off my lapels and mind your own bidness, cordially or otherwise..

It's ok then for you to instruct us in theology (#203, #290) but it's not ok for anyone to dare question any of your theological dicta. Ok. Got it.

And btw, in light of your use of the word "bargain", and your ad hominem invective notwithstanding, my reading comprehension is just fine, thank you very much.

bar·gain

• An agreement between parties fixing obligations that each promises to carry out.
• 1. An agreement establishing the terms of a sale or exchange of goods or services: finally reached a bargain with the antique dealer over the lamp.
  2. Property acquired or services rendered as a result of such an agreement.
• Something offered or acquired at a price advantageous to the buyer.< bar·gained, bar·gain·ing, bar·gains
  
  1. To negotiate the terms of an agreement, as to sell or exchange.
  2. To engage in collective bargaining.
  3. To arrive at an agreement.
  bargained my watch for a meal.
  Phrasal Verb(s):
  bargain for/on
  To count on; expect: "I never bargained for this tearing feeling inside me" (Anne Tyler).
  
  Idiom(s):
  into/in the bargain
  Over and above what is expected; in addition.
  [Middle English, from Old French bargaigne, haggling, from bargaignier, to haggle, of Germanic origin; see bhergh-¹ in Indo-European roots.]<bar'gain·er n.
  

  Synonyms: These nouns denote an agreement arrived at after a discussion in which the parties involved promise to honor their respective obligations: kept my end of the bargain and mowed the lawn; made a compact to correspond regularly; a legally binding contract to install new windows; a covenant for mutual defense; ignored the requests that weren't part of the deal.

Cordially,

[BlackElk]

You have been elected pope???? I thought B-XVI was still alive and serving.

#203 and #293 are Catholic comments by a Catholic on a Catholic matter. Yoiu have every right to make non-Catholic observations and Catholics have every right (and probably the obligation) to ignore the braying of the wild beasts in the wilderness. If you are not Catholic, you will not understand the confidence we have in our Church as the one established and guaranteed by Christ Himself.

Your failure to grasp that is your problem and I don't intend to allow you to succeed in making your failures my concern. This is America. You are free to believe anything, however fanciful, that you wish to believe. You can be a Zoroastrian or a member of a cult worshiping the moondoggies of Jupiter for all I care or this nation cares. I can be a Roman Catholic and so can you though one suspects that you have rejected that possibility.

Ted Kennedy was baptized and confirmed as a Roman Catholic. He betrayed his freely chosen commitments to God. You may argue that his commitments were made for him by his godparents at his infant baptism but his commitments (and the renewal of his baptismal promises) were freely entered into by him at his Confirmation in the presence of the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist when he was well above he age of reason. God made good on His part of that bargain. Teddy did not, at least by all public appearances, keep his part of the bargain.

That you cannot or will not fathom the fine points of Catholic theology comes as no surprise. That a Bible and a few reading lessons qualifies you as having authority on matters Roman Catholic is laughable. Mind your own bidness. I'll refrain from telling how to be whatever you may be (none of my bidness) and I will thank you to leave at least this Catholic alone (none of your bidness).

You can question whatever you please and I can ignore or despise your questions as I please and I will. I have no desire to engage in theological back and forth with non-Catholics on a conservative POLITICAL website which should attempt to unite conservatives politically rather than encourage division across denominational lines.

I used to fight with the "reformed" here but what is the point? I now limit my religious arguments here to those who pose as Catholic and are not and those who openly attack Catholicism.

I see no merit in an argument over semantics either. Since you do not understand Catholicism, you do not understand the use of the word bargain as in Teddy's failure to meet his obligations under same. If you fail to understand, that will be your problem.

[TaraP]

My friend...That is just not correct...

What did Jesus say:

ROMANS 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved....

We believe in Christ as a gift of God. Paul couldn’t be clearer: ‘By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast’ (Eph 2:8-9).

Our salvation by God’s grace through faith is precisely that — it is by grace, and thus not our own doing, but the free gift of God. We don’t believe because of any other reason but that we’ve received it as a merciful gift from our Lord. Who then can boast of his faith? Rather, we boast in God, we boast in the work of Christ for us (Gal 6:14)

[Lexinom]

We don’t disagree then. Salvation from our sins is a gift entirely of God’s grace, not of our willing or running, not of our works lest we should boast. Whoever confesses with the mouth is one on whom that gift is conferred.

[TaraP]

Amen to that!

[campaignPete R-CT]

Jesus may forgive that fat bloated murderer, but I sure as hell don’t.

we on the right may forgive that "fat bloated murderer", but Jesus "sure as hell" doesn't have to.

"He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.... He who humbly confesses his sins, with true repentance and faith, shall find mercy from God. ... A wicked ruler, whatever we may call him, this scripture calls a roaring Lion ..." PROVERBS 28

Ted, a Lion, indeed.
It is hard to pray for your enemies when you are watching them destroy the country you love.