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Posted on 08/25/2009 8:33:35 PM PDT by marktwain
This is the Second Revolution (peacefully, of course). We will not give up until the liberals are in fast and furious retreat! Be in D.C.!
Libertarians always claim the high ground. “We are independent. We love liberty.”
But, they always have an affinity for the lefty side of the equation. Over the past 20 years, I bet Libertarians have voted Democrat 90% of the time while claiming all the while that they are strictly impartial. Well, la dee dah.
I will defend your right to free speech.
Will YOU DEFEND MINE?
You know the identity of a libertarian is difficult. That is because Statist impulses exist on both the left and the right. On the right, law and order republicans demand tougher laws and penalties, demand a zero risk environment, a highly controlled and predictable society, and will demand that at the point of a gun (a police officer). The lefty statists want a strong aggressive government to carry out their wacky and misguided aims, again, at the point of a gun. So where does that leave your basic libertarian? He does not not want to transfer risk to others, but rather to assume risk in return for freedom. So who is on his side?
“You know the identity of a libertarian is difficult. That is because Statist impulses exist on both the left and the right. On the right, law and order republicans demand tougher laws and penalties, demand a zero risk environment, a highly controlled and predictable society, and will demand that at the point of a gun (a police officer). The lefty statists want a strong aggressive government to carry out their wacky and misguided aims, again, at the point of a gun. So where does that leave your basic libertarian? He does not not want to transfer risk to others, but rather to assume risk in return for freedom. So who is on his side?”
Lots of words are pretty, yours included. But let’s cut to the chase. How many Libertarians have you known who have voted R vs. L? What’s the percentage? IMHO, they’re all just disguised lefties, late to the party. Worse than Dims. Scum suckers.
In my state, most of them. Do you think Libertarians are incapable of being practical?
My problem with Libertarians is their candidates in several key instances have cost the Republicans victory. Although I was no fan of McCain, Bob Barr running as a Libertarian cost him Indiana and North Carolina (not enough to change the outcome, but enough to get it closer in the EC). Sens. Tim Johnson (D-SD) & Jon Tester (D-MT) won narrow victories because Libertarian candidates deprived the Republicans a victory (and in Tester’s case, that was the difference between the GOP tying control of the Senate in ‘06 and losing control).
Another way to describe the outcome of the election is to say that if they could have convinced the voters of their libertarian creds, they would have won. Why are you blaming the libertarian voters instead of the R’s who failed to sell themselves as libertarian enough?
I’m stating that in close elections, the presence of a Libertarian only tends to serve that of the Democrats. Absent the presence of that one single Libertarian candidate in MT opposing Conrad Burns, it would’ve changed the outcome of power in the Senate. Did that one Libertarian candidate think he was doing the country a favor by putting the Democrats in charge ?
The way things are looking lately, we may be fortunate McCain lost. For that to remain true, more conservatives and libertarians that actually follow their principles have to become activists.
Quite so.
Why the Tenth Amendment? (The line in the sand)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2324438/posts
Maybe the Libertarians you hang out with are deformed in some way.
My experience differs greatly.
That’s subjective as hell. It all depends on the candidates. Would the average libertarian vote for a blue dog dem (pro life, anti-gun control, anti-police state, ect) over a neoconservative or overmilitant Repub? Probably. But that same libertarian would take a paleoconservative over the blue dog ever time out.
Considering the damage (perceived and real) the Republicans did to American freedom in the name of fear and security, perhaps the Libertarian figured the Dems couldn’t do much worse. Of course, what he got was a different flavor of crap.
I always thought of libertarians who wanted a strong constitution, carried out to the letter.
Do you disagree with this premise?
Am I missing something?
Pretty words?
How about the essense of the argument. I can’t call myself a Republican, but I have always voted that way. I am registered a republican and have been for 22 years. But I am tired of driving through swarms of cops to get to the grocery store. So what does that make me? I would call myself a Thomas Jefferson republican.
“Do you think Libertarians are incapable
of being practical?”
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