Posted on 08/24/2009 4:50:52 AM PDT by marktwain
Arthur Frommer
This week Arizonans were shocked when iconic travel industry promoter Arthur Frommer blogged that
"I will not personally travel in a state where civilians carry loaded weapons onto the sidewalks [and t]ourists should safeguard themselves by avoiding stays in Arizona."
Mr. Frommer's comments, touched off a firestorm of criticism - so much so that as of publication of this column, Frommer's blog entry attracted 1,061 comments compared to the usual 8 comments or so for his other blog entries.
The crux of the criticism against Mr. Frommer's Arizona travel advisory (even by pro-gun folks like me who don't think that openly carrying long guns to oppose Obamacare is an effective means of expressive conduct even if such conduct is protected by the First Amendment) is that Mr. Frommer is basically telling Americans not to travel in, well, "most of America." I don't want to have an online "macaca moment" here and use the term "real America" but well, let's get real: outside of New York, Chicago, and Washington DC, us mere "civilians" (including the police, who are also civilians) can pretty much own and carry guns anywhere we want, sidewalks and all, from Pittsburgh to Seattle and most parts in between.
And why pick on Arizona? After all, Arizona is just like most states where folks can legally open carry guns without any permit, and can carry concealed guns if they hold the proper permit.
Is Mr. Frommer also going to urge a travel boycott of the entire inter-Mountain American West where folks can legally carry concealed guns in their vehicles without any permit from Canada to old Mexico?
What about Florida and the East Coast? Motorists on I-95 can freely carry guns in their vehicles from Virginia all the way down to the Conch Republic without any permit, and all of those states issue and recognize permits to conceal guns while on foot as well, meaning its highly unlikely that anyone can walk more than 20 paces even on Ocean Drive near Wet Willies or the South Beach promenade without brushing past a fellow American legally carrying a concealed handgun.
And then there's restaurants serving alcohol! Frommer better put out a warning on those darn things too as very few states ban gun carry in alcohol serving restaurants (even fewer next month when a new Arizona law takes effect to allow concealed handguns in restaurants serving alcohol).
How 'bout a travel advisory against visiting National Parks starting February 2010? Effective that month a new federal law de-criminalizes gun carry there too, finally making National Parks as gun friendly as federal National Forests and BLM lands have been for as far back as anyone can remember.
Well Mr. Frommer? Are you going to keep blogging against travel in your own country? Let us know.
In the meantime, please try to get out more.
HopalongCassidyphobic?
I doubt any carry state will miss Mr. Frommer.
Let him stay home. Who cares?
In all seriousness, though, it's not a good thing when someone like Frommer, whose advice many people follow, takes such a public stance against individual liberty.
Then again, most of the people who listen to Frommer are urbanites who've been largely brainwashed already, so he's quite likely preaching to the choir.
Ping!
Frommer is a leftist fruitcake.
He actually cancelled one of his radio shows over a political program he took issue with.
People need to be made aware of individuals like this insidious jerk and organizations like AARP which present themselves as unbiased associations, but are in reality, tied in hand in glove with the leftists who run the Democrat party.
We need some kind of list.
if i knew who this guy was, maybe i would care what he thinks...
I kind of agree with Mr. Frommer, the famous travel writer. The only difference is that I will not travel in any state where civilians carry UNLOADED guns onto the sidewalks. That's just the kind of unstable nut job who might try to pistol-whip an unarmed tourist.
Joe, maybe this girly guy will post a list of blue states where guns are hated.
Then we can use this list as places we don’t want to go to.
These people are insidious.
They are dangerous and they need to be exposed.
What you are saying is true to a degree. But we still have an obligation to let people know that individuals who ar presenting themselves as impartial authorities on various subjects have clandestine agendas unrelated to their ostensible purposes.
This is NOT the first time Frommer demonstrated his blatant political bias.
People who are in business serving the general public have to be taught that their are consequencves to political activities.
I am not condemning Mr. Frommer’s right to his own political opinions on any subject. But when he uses his position in a particular field of specialized expertise, i.e. travel advice, the general public should be made aware of the fact that he is an outspoken advocate for political viewpoints with which they may disagree and which bias his presentations.
Well, I hope he enjoys being a homebody, wherever he relocates to...
Which state DON’T civilians carry loaded weapons? Name one! The only difference is that in the non-CCW states, only the CRIMINALS are carrying them. Frommer is a bed-wetting libtard.
Speaking of “urbanites,” this from one Thomas Jefferson:
An astute student of history and human nature, Thomas Jefferson, predicted what we see happening here in America. As ambassador in France, he witnessed the run up to the FIRST socialist/communist revolution there. He penned the following observations concerning what would happen HERE should that socialism come to the United States. He CORRECTLY predicted that we would become an increasingly contentious and litigious people as we shouldered one another out of the way to get OURS from the public trough and the trough would soon be empty.
He also knew where the bulk of the problem would originate.
That whirring noise you may hear coming from that mountain in Charlottesville, Virginia is Mr. Jefferson getting up to around 3600 RPM.
(A 6 minute video with this information may be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLu49pq3bI)
As I understand it, at the time of the drafting of the Declaration, Mr. Jefferson originally wrote “…Life, Liberty and PROPERTY…” (meaning that one’s right to freely acquire, use and dispose of his property – to the extent doing so did not violate the same to others – was a Creator endowed right. Because slavery viewed humans as property, the phrase “Pursuit of Happiness” was adopted instead to avoid – at least for the time being — the inevitable debate on that subject.
“The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution.” —Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIX, 1782. ME 2:230
“I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe.” —Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. Papers 12:442
“I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice.” —Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173
“Our cities... exhibit specimens of London only; our country is a different nation.” —Thomas Jefferson to Andre de Daschkoff, 1809. ME 12:304
“Everyone, by his property or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs and a degree of freedom which, in the hands of the canaille of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:401
“An insurrection... of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth... has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:402
“I fear nothing for our liberty from the assaults of force; but I have seen and felt much, and fear more from English books, English prejudices, English manners, and the apes, the dupes, and designs among our professional crafts. When I look around me for security against these seductions, I find it in the wide spread of our agricultural citizens, in their unsophisticated minds, their independence and their power, if called on, to crush the Humists of our cities, and to maintain the principles which severed us from England.” —Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:120
Or just get out.
Ive said before, we're gonna need to exhume all the old whitehairs and put grease fittings on their boxes...
Hell, I’ve never heard of this jerk...my wife may have, she loves the Travel Channel.
I asked her, she remembers him from years ago.
Good. I guess the jerk will stay home.
That CS can stay the hell out of Texas then.
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