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What Soviet Medicine Teaches US
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | Aug. 21, 2009 | Yuri N. Maltsev

Posted on 08/22/2009 11:11:45 PM PDT by givemELL

"In order to receive minimal attention by doctors and nursing personnel, patients had to pay bribes. I even witnessed a case of a "nonpaying" patient who died trying to reach a lavatory at the end of the long corridor after brain surgery. Anesthesia was usually "not available" for abortions or minor ear, nose, throat, and skin surgeries. This was used as a means of extortion by unscrupulous medical bureaucrats."

"Slavery certainly 'reduced costs' of labor, 'eliminated the waste' of bargaining for wages, and avoided 'unnecessary duplication and parallelism'."

"To improve the statistics concerning the numbers of people dying within the system, patients were routinely shoved out the door before taking their last breath."

"Being a People's Deputy in the Moscow region from 1987 to 1989, I received many complaints about criminal negligence, bribes taken by medical apparatchiks, drunken ambulance crews, and food poisoning in hospitals and child-care facilities. I recall the case of a fourteen-year-old girl from my district who died of acute nephritis in a Moscow hospital. She died because a doctor decided that it was better to save "precious" X-ray film (imported by the Soviets for hard currency) instead of double-checking his diagnosis. These X-rays would have disproven his diagnosis of neuropathic pain."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: hr3200; medicine; obamacare; russianmedicine; socialism; socializedmedicine; soviet; sovietmedicinr; sovietunion
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To: givemELL
Does anybody want to hazard a guess whom the new Nomenklatura are going to be?
21 posted on 08/23/2009 8:45:51 PM PDT by Gritty (Ultimately, government health represents the nationalization of your body - Mark Steyn)
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To: Jeff Head

Welcome to the USSA, comrades.


22 posted on 08/23/2009 8:51:32 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

A PETITION ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

A 4TH OF JULY TEA PARTY SPEECH

23 posted on 08/23/2009 8:52:53 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: tcrlaf
bookmark for mornin’

..in the morning, I'll bump it again.


24 posted on 08/23/2009 8:53:32 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the voter: "Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan"...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
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To: sickoflibs; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; backhoe; Badray; ...
There'll be a revolution in this country before we get to this point.

CW2 Ping

"Not surprisingly, government bureaucrats and Communist Party officials, as early as 1921 (three years after Lenin’s socialization of medicine), realized that the egalitarian system of healthcare was good only for their personal interest as providers, managers, and rationers — but not as private users of the system. So, as in all countries with socialized medicine, a two-tier system was created: one for the “gray masses” and the other, with a completely different level of service, for the bureaucrats and their intellectual servants. In the USSR, it was often the case that while workers and peasants were dying in the state hospitals, the medicine and equipment that could save their lives was sitting unused in the nomenklatura system."

25 posted on 08/23/2009 8:56:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: GeronL

We’ll need to bump it tomorrow... this one’s important.


26 posted on 08/23/2009 8:57:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (Journalists - - stenographers for Democrats - it wasn't always that way...)
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To: Jeff Head

National Socialist Health Care: OVER MY DEAD BODY!


27 posted on 08/23/2009 8:59:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: givemELL
We have one daughter (our sixth child), now 13 years old, who was born in Vladivostok, Russia.

During the final trimester of my wife's pregnancy, Russian doctors did not know how to diagnose what they called an “enlarged placenta and umbilical.” They insisted that my wife take what we came to find out by calling the States was a very powerful anti-blood pressure medication.

We discovered what it was before she took any of the medication, and she just did not take it. The doctors were angry that she did not take the medication and threatened to quit providing service. We were PAYING customers, not using insurance, having paid all doctors, hospital, delivery room, and other fees IN ADVANCE !! We were then left with only pharmacy and some hospital supply costs.

They did not stop service, but wanted her there in the hospital one week prior to the due date (not previously required). We refused.

The baby was born healthy and normal. They were surprised at the size of the placenta and umbilical but it was perfectly normal. Finally, a couple of their doctors suggested it was do to my wife having a much better daily diet and vitamin supply than most Russian women.

Diagnostic skills are known to be very poor in socialized medicine.

28 posted on 08/23/2009 9:20:37 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Travis McGee

I would hope so. Surely American’s have not sunk to a low enough level to allow this to happen here.


29 posted on 08/23/2009 9:43:12 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: givemELL

They don’t care. All they see are the words FREE SH*T... nothing is ever really free when it comes to the government. just like the slogans “yes we can” and “hope and chage”. Vague enough to make the sheople buy them, empty enough to make the more intelligent, stronger people call them complete and utter horse sh*t slogans that mean nothing.


30 posted on 08/23/2009 9:46:06 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: okie01

“I would favor doubling the salaries of our legislators...if we could halve their responsibilities.”

Some people complain that our legislators don’t work hard enough - in my view they work way too hard - there are few things more damaging than a hard working legislature! I want them on vacation full time - and I’ll gladly pay their salaries. That would be the best bargain we ever got!


31 posted on 08/23/2009 9:55:07 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: okie01

Just insist they follow the Constitution! When you call on them, carry a bucket of tar and a feather pillow. Leave the rail out in the hall, though!!! Remind them that HOT tar is what the recipe calls for!!!!!

It OUGHTTA work. Have your friends carry pitchforks and torches!


32 posted on 08/24/2009 12:15:04 AM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: okie01

Just insist they follow the Constitution! When you call on them, carry a bucket of tar and a feather pillow. Leave the rail out in the hall, though!!! Remind them that HOT tar is what the recipe calls for!!!!!

It OUGHTTA work. Have your friends carry pitchforks and torches!


33 posted on 08/24/2009 12:17:01 AM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: aquila48

A PART TIME legislature, allowed only 2-3 part-time aides. Let them spend 80-90% of their time eking out a living, IN THEIR DISTRICT, just as we, their bosses must do...


34 posted on 08/24/2009 12:21:48 AM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: GeronL; givemELL
Too bad its 1:30AM this article should be read by everyone on Earth

Everyone on FR reading it would be a good start...

Thanks for posting this, givemELL

35 posted on 08/24/2009 3:55:09 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: sickoflibs

Thanks, sickoflibs!


36 posted on 08/24/2009 4:10:56 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: givemELL

BTTT.


37 posted on 08/24/2009 4:51:42 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

” In the USSR, it was often the case that while workers and peasants were dying in the state hospitals, the medicine and equipment that could save their lives was sitting unused in the nomenklatura system.”

I’ll wager the very same thing is going on in the UK, and Canada.


38 posted on 08/24/2009 6:35:24 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Think free or die
BUMP
I remember my aunt’s stories about Soviet dental care in the late 1970’s. She lived in socialist Czechoslovakia, which was no picnic, but which had a much higher standard of care than the USSR. She and my uncle were on a bus tour of the USSR when she developed a severe toothache and had to see a dentist. She was appalled at the conditions. They had no anesthesia, and the dental office had only one very dull drill bit. Apparently none of the other dentists in town had any functioning dental drills at all. She underwent a root canal under very painful conditions, and was grateful not to have any further problems before reaching home. Her descriptions of the filthy facilities, ancient equipment and non-sterile drilling process gave me the creeps.

...coming soon to a government healthcare / insurance company near you.


39 posted on 08/24/2009 7:22:52 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the voter: "Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan"...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
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To: aquila48
Some people complain that our legislators don’t work hard enough - in my view they work way too hard - there are few things more damaging than a hard working legislature! I want them on vacation full time - and I’ll gladly pay their salaries. That would be the best bargain we ever got!

How about this for a plan:

1. Double legislators' salaries

2. Halve their responsibilities

3. Limit Congressional sessions to six months. No expenses allowed for the other six months.

4. Provide free-of-charge dormitory rooms for when Congress is in session. Expenses would be allowed only for weekend trips home.

5. Offering a discount or special privilege (such as a junket) to a Congressman would be a capital crime.

40 posted on 08/24/2009 8:03:08 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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