“We live today with an understanding of homosexuality that did not exist in Jesus’ time and culture,” Tim Mumm, a lay delegate from Wisconsin and supporter of Lutherans Concerned, an gay-rights organization, said during the debate. “We are responding to something that the writers of Scripture could not have understood.”
And Paul wrote:
1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
So, uh, Mr Tim Mumm, you should maybe try to read your bible instead of getting your religion from TV: MSLBGT and Mr Rachel Maddov or whatever his name is. In Jesus day they certainly did understand the evils of homosexual behaviour and of course we know the evils today.
Congratulations Mr Mumms on destroying your church. Way to go.
And so goes another branch of Christianity, denying the very word of God. How disgusting!!
Does Mumm really believe that neither the Jews nor the Christians knew anything about homosexuality before today? Only someone completely devoid of any historical knowledge of the early church could be that dumb. The question that it does beg is whether or not God knew anything about homosexuality? If the Scriptures are “God-breathed,” then what Mumm is really saying is that God doesn't know what he is talking about. Mumm trusts the current secular culture over the Word of God.
The words of Revelation 2:18-29 serve as a severe warning to all involved in this perversion, apostasy and sexual immorality:
Message to Thyatira
18"And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this:
19'I know your deeds, and your love and faith and service and perseverance, and that your deeds of late are greater than at first.
20'But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
21'I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.
22'Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
23'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.
24'But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them--I place no other burden on you.
25'Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I come.
26'He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS;
27AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, as I also have received authority from My Father;
28and I will give him the morning star.
29'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'
Since when is the clearly understood Word of God put “up to a vote?”
The question is why limit it to “monogamous” affairs? Because the idea of group orgies is too ugly even for them?
The ELCA slithers farther into insignificance.
Sorry not possible, it is not the nature of the mental disorder.
The ELCA slithers farther into insignificance.
Perverted homosexual acts were sin 4000 years ago when God rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah Mr. Mumm, that perversion was sin 3400 years ago when Moses wrote the Judaic Law code as dictated by God, it was sin when the Apostle Paul condemned it in his letter written to the Roman Christians under divine inspiration, it's sin today, and will still be sin tomorrow no matter what your opinion may be Mr. Mumm.
Any authentic, born again, Christ-honoring Christians who may be still hanging on to the ELCA hoping for a miracle to occur should get out now and find a local LCMS church to attend. The Missouri Synod is still faithful to Holy Scripture AFAIK, so there's no good reason for true Christian Lutherans to remain in an apostate ELCA church where God's holy, infallible Word is regarded as merely a collection of out of date opinions of ancient Hebrew scribes.
I regularly attend an evangelical, bible-believing, gospel preaching, local church, however I don't officially belong to any established denominational church. But if I were to choose one to join it certainly wouldn't be one that denies that the Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God, and/or that denies that perverted homosexual activity is sin.
Ya kind'a need to get out and suck face with another whiskered lover, and experience the joy of "change", with "hope" that your new lover can give to your life new experience in your quest for true love!
They might as well change the name of their organization, they are not Evangelicals, they are Reprobates.
If your in the ELCA, you should tell your church we had better join the Missouri or the other Synod or we will move to a Lutheran Church that is in those Synods.
They got it right ... almost. The correct answer would be that abstinent gays could serve.
“Monogamous” sodomites, a thing much rarer than "honest" politicians.
Those Lutherans are crafty devils.
“allow gays in “life-long, monogamous” relationships”
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors butt buddy.
So let me get this straight - he doesn’t think Jesus understands homosexuality?