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Religious Symbolism in the Great Seal of the United States
self | August 20, 2009 | Jean F. Drew

Posted on 08/20/2009 5:46:52 PM PDT by betty boop

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1 posted on 08/20/2009 5:46:53 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: Alamo-Girl; r9etb; xzins; joanie-f; Jeff Head; spirited irish; metmom; Kevmo; marron; hosepipe; ...

Just in case anyone was looking for something “interesting to do” today....


2 posted on 08/20/2009 5:51:06 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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BUMP


3 posted on 08/20/2009 5:55:32 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: betty boop

If you want something really interesting research “Codex Magica” in relation to the first Matrix movie.


4 posted on 08/20/2009 6:29:49 PM PDT by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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To: betty boop

Interesting article about the Seal of the U. S. Thanks for posting.

Many years ago, I read that the original of the seal had the eagle looking to the left toward the arrows but at some point in time was changed to look toward the olive branch. Has anyone else heard of this change from left to right of the eagle’s head?


5 posted on 08/20/2009 7:03:53 PM PDT by LaMudBug
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To: betty boop
Biblical types(and archetypes)/symbols is a very interesting subject and study..

What was borrowed, invented, and morphed in political symbolism is less so interesting and important, I think..

Some say both kinds of symbols are useless..
They could be wrong.. Actual "words" (in any language) are symbols..

Example: Liberals invented the word "conservative" to describe non "progressives".. meaning "conservative" is for the "same old, same old".. versus the so-called forward looking "progressives"..

My secret covert sneaky message.....
You control the symbols and you control the conversation..
The poor old "conservatives" are eye rolling drooling oblivious to that..

Since most of them are for radical change to the current normal progressive norms.. Except they are afraid of the word "radical".. It scares them like little girls.. You call yourself a radical and the high pitched screaming begins.. in "conservative" circles..

6 posted on 08/20/2009 7:14:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: betty boop

Thanks for posting. Very informative and interesting material.


7 posted on 08/20/2009 7:19:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: betty boop

Excellent post. Thank you.


8 posted on 08/20/2009 8:00:59 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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Of interest to homeschoolers for a history lesson.


9 posted on 08/20/2009 8:13:54 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Thanks!


10 posted on 08/20/2009 8:58:51 PM PDT by Reddy (Science is not consensus; and science based on consensus is not science, but propaganda.)
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Great post, betty boop — and thanks for the ping metmom! Sending a link to my highschooler.


11 posted on 08/20/2009 9:25:41 PM PDT by StarCMC (Sometimes you need a Jimmy Carter to get a Ronald Reagan.)
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Very interesting. I thought the symbols were Masonic but it looks like that’s not the case.


12 posted on 08/20/2009 9:38:23 PM PDT by Yardstick
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The moral of this story: Progressive social innovators know that cultural symbols that do not serve their ideological purposes must either be redefined in ways more congenial to their own view of reality, or else be erased from human consciousness and memory altogether.

Another reason to homeschool.

By the way....How many 8th graders if shown a picture of the Last Supper would know what it is?

13 posted on 08/20/2009 9:43:33 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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What a wonderful, informative tour through the meaning of the symbols on the Great Seal!

Thank you oh so very much, dearest sister in Christ!

14 posted on 08/20/2009 9:46:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Has anyone else heard of this change from left to right of the eagle’s head?

Yes. I read it at the (rather labyrinthine) link I posted in the main article. It had to do with the use of the obverse side of the Seal in its capacity as the Presidential Seal. But I don't remember the details right now.

I'm sorry I don't have the info at my fingertips. But now, you've given me a good reason to go track that down.

Thank you for writing, LaMudBug!

15 posted on 08/20/2009 9:57:46 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: LaMudBug
Many years ago, I read that the original of the seal had the eagle looking to the left toward the arrows but at some point in time was changed to look toward the olive branch. Has anyone else heard of this change from left to right of the eagle’s head?

Went to check it out, LaMudug. There has been a change in the position of the eagle's head, but this change pertains only to the Presidential Seal:

Beginning with President Hayes in 1877, the eagle on the presidential seal traditionally faced the bundle of arrows in its left talon....

On October 25, 1945, however, President Truman signed Executive Order No. 9646 that legally specified the design of the President's seal and flag. A press release was issued to call attention to the new design:

"In the new Coat of Arms, Seal and Flag, the Eagle not only faces to its right — the direction of honor — but also toward the olive branches of peace which it holds in its right talon. Formerly the eagle faced toward the arrows in its left talon – arrows, symbolic of war."

In heraldry, the imagery on the shield's right side (the left side from our point of view) has more importance than the one on its left. The official 1782 description of the Great Seal specifically says the olive branch is held in the eagle's right talon.

FYI!
16 posted on 08/21/2009 1:16:19 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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Of interest to homeschoolers for a history lesson.

Oh, thank you so much, dear sister in Christ, for your kind words!

Young people especially need to become aware of their American heritage. Do you know how surprising it is to me that such an important Founding Father as Charles Thomson is virtually totally unknown to us today?

It is simply amazing, astonishing!

17 posted on 08/21/2009 1:24:13 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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Sending a link to my highschooler.

Bless you for that, StarCMC!

As I was just mentioning to metmom, it's astonishing to me that such an important Founding Father as Charles Thomson is almost totally unknown to us today.

I do hope your highschooler will find the article of interest.

Thank you!

18 posted on 08/21/2009 1:27:16 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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I thought the symbols were Masonic but it looks like that’s not the case.

I thought so, too, Yardstick, based on what I'd "heard." But then I started my research into the question, and quickly realized that there was simply no way that Charles Thomson would have used Masonic symbols!

Check out his biography at the link provided at the top of the article, and see whether you agree.

In 1782, no more than four people were involved in the development of the Great Seal, and not one of them was a Mason.

19 posted on 08/21/2009 1:48:51 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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Thank you for posting this. My son has to do a presentation each Friday when we meet with our homeschooling group and this would make a perfect one. Very interesting.


20 posted on 08/21/2009 3:14:14 PM PDT by mykdsmom
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