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Pelosi: No bill without public option
Politico ^ | 8/20/09

Posted on 08/20/2009 1:14:44 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: Sub-Driver

Excellent, Nancy. You stay completely out of touch with the American people so they can plainly see what a political (as well as medical) freak you are. This bodes well for the Dems to give the majority back. Now, we just have to pray the pubbies would finally understand what to do with it.


61 posted on 08/20/2009 3:37:32 PM PDT by JewishRighter (I)
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To: mikelets456
"Co-op are exactly what Hitler and Mousillini did....gives companies and citizens the false sense of “Capitalism” when in reality the government is pulling all the strings!"

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Intentional or not, you nearly force me to repost my thoughts about this... Apologies to those who have seen much of this recent rant before. It does include some modifications to what I've written previously.

I have finally come to the understanding that the political system now being touted by the left as "PROGRESSIVE", to deflect criticism of them being liberal, is actually a synthesis of two previously existing government forms: Communism and Fascism.

When many use the word “fascist” they are simply using it as a pejorative. When people were calling Bush “fascist”, that was simply a smear. When I challenged them to define fascist, and they were unable to respond, I educated them. That reduced them to calling him monkey instead. Dear Leader has been RULING as a fascist (most recently demonstrated by his town hall antics) as I will demonstrate.

When I labeled Dear Leader and Pelosi, etc., Fascist, I was NOT using it as a pejorative. It's an attempt to describe as accurately as possible the system of government they espouse and are trying to bring about. I ran into a problem, though, when researching the question.

I excerpt part of http://open-encyclopedia.com/Fascism as a base for the analysis.

The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

... The purpose of the government under fascism proper was to value itself as the highest priority to its culture in just being the state in itself, the larger scope of which, the better...

... The Nazi movement spoke of class-based society as the enemy, and wanted to unify the racial element above established classes. The Fascist movement, on the other hand, sought to preserve the class system and uphold it as the foundation of established and desirable culture...

...Fascism rejects the central tenets of Marxism, which are class struggle, and the need to replace capitalism with a society run by the working class in which the workers own the means of production. ...

[Fascism includes] capitalism ... This was a new capitalist system, however, one in which the state seized control of the organization of vital industries.

Look at the agenda the Progressives have undertaken since gaining control of Congress in 2006, and indeed before that time. Control of business, reduction of personal liberty, using propaganda and censorship to suppress opposition, social regimentation, higher taxes which again reduces personal liberty, expanding national government everywhere, even severe regimentation passing laws about light bulbs and on and on. Much of their agenda and methodology is VERY fascist.

However, bullet points 1 & 4 give us a problem whether we use nationalism or racism. Progressives certainly never goad people into a frenzy by extolling the virtues of the United States so are not nationalists in the typical sense of the word. They don’t use racism that way, either- they merely use it as a pejorative. Thus, we are not quite accurate in equating Progressivism with Fascism.

A digression concerning Nazi (National Socialist) vs. Fascist: Nazi is a subset of Fascist, but that subset does not include any more Progressive traits than Fascist.

What actually is needed to describe Progressives is Fascism that is NOT nationalist, at least nationalism in the sense of promotion of their nation as superior.

They are not Socialist (Marxist), either. When have you EVER heard a Progressive politician or any of the Democrats extol the virtues of having a classless society? Certainly they don't desire that for themselves or their rich donors! They are definitely in favor of a classes, with themselves in the highest class.

This brings up the following, from the same main source: http://open-encyclopedia.com/Communism

In terms of socio-economic systems, communism and socialism are two different things. For example, socialism involves the existence of a state, while communism does not...[and] abolishes private ownership altogether.

I’ve heard it argued that Communism has never been implemented, as a result. Apologies to Marx and Engels, but it is the supporters of communism who make that argument. Communism as it is now defined requires that there be NO “state”.

This helps us gain some ground. Communism shares this major feature of "no state" with Progressivism! So, where are we now?

These super-liberals, including Dear Leader and those who are currently running congress, have been pushing CapNTax, ObamaCare, apologies for the US, making nice with sworn enemies, international law, eliminating military superiority, etc.. In nearly EVERY area of our culture or economy that they have been pushing most fervently, they push for a leveling of the US with other nations, and attempt to remove national differences and boundaries. These fit with Communism, except that they have NO DESIRE to eliminate "classes" of people, or that the state OWN business- they only wish to CONTROL business as in Fascism (they have stated that they don't want to run the banks or auto companies) and they don't mind that their favored elites are billionaires, just as in fascism. Like fascism, they desire to control individual thought and behavior and forcibly suppress dissent.

Either we stipulate that the “whole world” is the “nation” for Dear Leader et al, to accurately describe their government philosophy, and state they are "ONE-WORLD FASCISTS", or we need a new word to describe their desired governmental system.

A word that would accurately synthesize their thinking is:

CommuFascist

The important point, though, is that whether this philosophy is labeled CommuFascist, or “Progressive” or One-World Fascists, analysis reveals that Dear Leader, Pelosi, and these super-liberals are espousing a MORE EXTREME FORM of Fascism and VERY extreme form of liberalism. Dear Leader is a “one-world” Mussolini.

Far from being pejorative, analysis reveals I was being generous when I was describing them as Fascist, not pejorative. I might be calling them something more extreme instead, “Progressive” or equivalently, CommuFascist.

62 posted on 08/20/2009 3:42:39 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Sub-Driver

Yo Nancy, stand on your principles. I’m behind you all the way on this issue.


63 posted on 08/20/2009 3:45:30 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: Mojave

Tort reform, Nancy, tort reform, but you don’t want to endanger your prime source of graft.


64 posted on 08/20/2009 3:50:53 PM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: RC2
They won’t listen to any option or ammendment offered, so why even mess with it?

Actually, you can score political points by trying to tack on amendments that you know the Democrats will vote down. Such as pro-life planks, anti-euthanasia planks, tort reform planks, etc. Nancy will then cut off debate and make it so no amendments can be passed, which might actually work to our benefits. A lot of people still don't know how heavy-handed Pelosi gets trying to have her way. She's about as anti-democratic as it gets.

65 posted on 08/20/2009 3:58:03 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Sub-Driver

June - Pelosi “We’ll pass this before summer recess”
July - Pelosi “We’ll pass this bill before August”
August - Pelosi “We’ll pass this before the August recess”
August - Pelosi “We have the votes to pass this by Friday”
August - Pelosi “No bill without public option”

1. Why believe you now?
2. You don’t have the votes
3. Move on, try again with the next Demoncat President


66 posted on 08/20/2009 3:59:10 PM PDT by hattend (Sarah Palin's mob minion - Mob Name: Hatman the Hitman)
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To: Shady
Tort reform, Nancy, tort reform, but you don’t want to endanger your prime source of graft.

we wee

67 posted on 08/20/2009 4:04:35 PM PDT by alrea
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To: Sub-Driver

If Death Panelosi and the Dems can railroad this through as a Democrat only bill, then only Democrat voters should have to live with socialized healthcare.


68 posted on 08/20/2009 4:06:35 PM PDT by drierice
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69 posted on 08/20/2009 4:09:49 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Sub-Driver
Then...no bill. either now, or when you and your ilk are blown out of office in 2010 and the whole thing is overturned so fast it will make your (then jobless) air-head spin, Nancy.


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70 posted on 08/20/2009 4:20:18 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Sub-Driver
She's drunk again...........

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71 posted on 08/20/2009 4:27:41 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Sub-Driver

If her mouth is open Pelosi’s lying.


72 posted on 08/20/2009 4:29:45 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Sub-Driver

No bill without public option .


73 posted on 08/20/2009 4:32:05 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Does "We All Weed Up" Indicate Obama Is Now Channeling Bob Marley?)
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To: SeattleBruce

Well I think we gave them too much credit, like we all thught mcCain campaign had a “Secret Weapon”. They are this dumb. Obama is winging it and I am sure he is hearing..”Please Mr. President just go on vacation, even Mr. Alinsky would tell you take a break and reformulate a cogent strategy”


74 posted on 08/20/2009 4:43:59 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: Sub-Driver

No matter what they do, 0bama and the Democrats are the losers. Democrats are split over the “public option.” For some Democrat voters, it is the most important part, and the only part they really care about. For others, it is a government takeover that will forever divide them from the Democrat party.

Republicans, on the other hand, are universally united against it. 0bama and Pelosi will learn in 2010 that a House divided cannot stand.

It’s already too late for them. The damage has been done. The only question is whether they alienate one side or both.


75 posted on 08/20/2009 5:19:05 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Speaking at a news conference in San Francisco, Pelosi told reporters that a public option will "keep insurance companies honest."

Hey Nancy, given your poisoned mind set, I bet it never occurred to you that the same goal can be reached by changing the laws and removing restrictions on the private insurers.

What, you never thought of that? I am shocked. /s

Please allow me to adjust your statement to reflect the truth, "Pelosi told reporters that a public option will "keep insurance companies honest in bankruptcy"

76 posted on 08/20/2009 5:25:01 PM PDT by upchuck (Neuter them in 2010 - Send them packing in 2012.)
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To: wiggen
''Steal her botox.'',,,,,,,,,I agree , but I'm kind of afraid of whats under all that botox!
77 posted on 08/20/2009 5:25:10 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Sub-Driver

Bill?

We don’t need no stinkin’ bill!


78 posted on 08/20/2009 5:28:05 PM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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To: Bush gal in LA

>I’m kind of afraid of whats under all that botox!<

I think her botox has some of that brown acid from Woodstock in it.


79 posted on 08/20/2009 5:29:35 PM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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To: Califreak

"Portrait of Nancy Pelosi"

80 posted on 08/20/2009 5:33:12 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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