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Obama Health-Care Session(with Faith Based Groups) Dodges Abortion Question
ncr ^ | August 19, 2009 | Tom MCFEELY

Posted on 08/19/2009 4:58:37 PM PDT by NYer

(CNS/Reuters)

During the just completed health-care reform discussion with religious representatives on BlogTalkRadio, a direct and clear question was asked about whether the president’s reform package would mandate taxpayer funding of abortion.

Unfortunately an equally clear response wasn’t forthcoming, even though President Barack Obama declared later in the discussion that it’s “not true” that his plan involves funding of abortion.

Instead, in response to the direct question posed about abortion funding, Melody Barnes, director of Obama’s Domestic Policy Council, provided what appeared to be a deliberately misleading response.

The question about abortion funding — one of four fielded by Barnes during the forty-minute health-care reform discussion — was posed by a Catholic parish nurse in Pennsylvania. The parish nurse said, “What I’m hearing from many Catholics is that they want to support health insurance reform because they believe all of God’s children should be able to get the care they need, but they are worried reform will change our current policies that prevent government funding of abortion and keep federal conscience protections in place. Can you assure us that we can support health reform without sacrificing our religious and moral values?”

With respect to abortion funding, Barnes replied, “You know, I’ve heard lots and lots of rumors about what the bills do or don’t do. I really want to be clear about this. The president has said that it’s longstanding policy that federal funds won’t be used for abortion coverage. Health reform, and our health reform efforts, are not intended to force Americans to purchase health insurance that includes coverage they don’t want, and they should be able to purchase coverage that reflects their values and basic needs. And it’s not intended to reduce insurance coverage that Americans already have. “

The difficulty with Barnes’s response is that it does not address the substance of the specific concern raised by the U.S. bishops, in recent public statements warning that the health-care reform bills currently before Congress leave the door open for taxpayer funding for those Americans who opt for public insurance plans that include abortion services.

As Cardinal Justin Rigali of Philadelphia, chairman of the U.S. bishops’ Committee on Pro-Life Activities, stated in an Aug. 11 letter to members of the House of Representatives:

The legislation delegates to the Secretary of Health and Human Services the power to make unlimited abortion a mandated benefit in the “public health insurance plan” the government will manage nationwide. This would be a radical change: Federal law has long excluded most abortions from federal employees’ health benefits packages, and no federal health program mandates coverage of elective abortions.

Additionally, Cardinal Rigali warned in his letter,

Because some federal funds are authorized and appropriated by this legislation without passing through the Labor/HHS appropriations bill, they are not covered by the Hyde and of health benefits packages that include abortion. The committee rejected an amendment to extend this longstanding policy to the use of federal subsidies for health care premiums under this Act. Instead the committee created a legal fiction, a paper separation between federal funding and abortion: Federal funds will subsidize the public plan, as well as private health plans that include abortion on demand; but anyone who purchases these plans is required to pay a premium out of his or her own pocket (specified in the Act to be at least $1.00 a month) to cover all abortions beyond those eligible for federal funds under the current Hyde amendment. Thus some will claim that federal taxpayer funds do not support abortion under the Act.

But this is an illusion. Funds paid into these plans are fungible, and federal taxpayer funds will subsidize the operating budget and provider networks that expand access to abortions Furthermore, those constrained by economic necessity or other factors to purchase the “public plan” will be forced by the federal government to pay directly and specifically for abortion coverage. This is the opposite of the policy in every other federal health program. Government will force low-income Americans to subsidize abortions for others (and abortion coverage for themselves) even if they find abortion morally abhorrent.”

Remember, Barnes said Americans “should be able to purchase coverage that reflects their values and basic needs.” Presumably, for those whose “basic values” include the right to abortion, this means they should be able to purchase abortion coverage.

And Barnes’s promise that health reform is “not intended to force Americans to purchase health insurance that includes coverage they don’t want,” provides no assurance that taxpayers won’t be providing funding to those who do want to acquire government health insurance that includes abortion services, by the mechanisms Cardinal Rigali described in his letter to members of the House.

Speaking at the conclusion of the carefully scripted BlogTalkRadio session, Obama cited the claim of funding of abortion as one example of the false claims that are being circulated by critics of his health care reform initiative.

“You’ve heard that this is all going to mean government funding of abortion,” Obama said. “Not true.”

Perhaps Obama was specifically ruing out any funding of abortion with his terse one-sentence remark dismissing the issue, but his domestic policy advisor’s more extensive comments immediately beforehand suggest otherwise.

There’s a way for Obama and the Democratic leadership in Congress to put the matter to rest, of course. That could be done by including wording similar to the Hyde Amendment in the health-care reform bill, specifically prohibiting any federal funding of abortion services or of health benefit packages that include coverage of abortion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; bhoabortion; bhohealthcare; catholic; prolife; taxpayerfunding

1 posted on 08/19/2009 4:58:38 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 08/19/2009 4:59:19 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
I'd never make it in the media because if I asked a question and the subject does not answer it directly, I would immediately answer it for them.

Example:

Me: Mr. President, does this bill pay for abortions?

The liar: yada yada yada yada yada ....

Me: I'll take that as, “Yes”. Next question.

3 posted on 08/19/2009 5:05:36 PM PDT by ryan71 (We out number them so lets act like it)
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To: NYer

Barry didn’t have to answer the question. We already know the answer.


4 posted on 08/19/2009 5:06:20 PM PDT by m4629 (politically incorrect, and proud of it)
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To: NYer

If he lied to the Pope, what makes them think he won’t lie to the average Catholic?


5 posted on 08/19/2009 5:09:11 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: NYer
It makes sense that they include the killing of old people in the Bill, so they must also provide coverage to kill the un-born people, too.

It's classic Democrat thinking....they know what's best for us all, right?

/sarc (even though, accurate)

6 posted on 08/19/2009 5:16:32 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gots to worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gots to buy no gas...Obama gonna take care o' me!")
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To: NYer
Obama is the abortion president. It is a stone cold certainty that whatever form of mandated coverage evolves, it will include abortion on demand, and probably require participating providers to make them available.
7 posted on 08/19/2009 5:27:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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. . . they should be able to purchase coverage that reflects their values and basic needs.

This comes from people who "value" baby-killing as a great way to end the "need" that comes from getting pregnant. They are slick, wickedly so.

8 posted on 08/19/2009 5:59:37 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: wagglebee; Mrs. Don-o

Lies upon lies ping


9 posted on 08/19/2009 6:55:32 PM PDT by Faith
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To: NYer

Waiting a few weeks until they threaten to revoke their tax-exemption certificates for not helping like state-sponsored religious organizations are supposed to, in their book.
This is the desperation phase of their healthcare effort, they really did not want to have to pander to Christians. But their abomination-base of the left wing will certainly understand that this was just politics.


10 posted on 08/20/2009 3:27:55 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: Faith
You're right: he lies damnably. Yet if you parse it out, the Obama operatives admit that(1) at least some approved insurance plans will cover abortion, and (2)these plans, these packages, will be subsidized by public funding. Therefore, public funds will be covering abortions.

They know the meaning of the word "fungible."

I guess they assume we don't.

11 posted on 08/20/2009 6:53:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It's the Post Office that's always having problems."-- Barack Obama, Aug. 11, 2009)
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To: NYer
Good post. When you put up stuff from National Catholic Register, please do spell out the whole three words, since NCR confusingly also means the National Catholic Regurgitator Reporter. :o/
12 posted on 08/20/2009 6:55:54 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It's the Post Office that's always having problems."-- Barack Obama, Aug. 11, 2009)
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To: NYer

He must have been one slimey lawyer in Chicago. Thug Arguments in the Court.


13 posted on 08/20/2009 9:48:18 AM PDT by Pastelsbywelz (GOPSenatorialFund,PalinPac)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
please do spell out the whole three words, since NCR confusingly also means the National Catholic Regurgitator Reporter. :o/

Since I frequently post from the National Catholic Register, it is easier to use the 'ncr' acronym. I never post from the other paper ... ever!

14 posted on 08/20/2009 12:12:19 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

OK! I knew that, but maybe some n00bie FReepers don’t!


15 posted on 08/20/2009 12:36:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Just to be is a Blessing; just to live is Holy." --Rabbi Abraham Heschel)
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