Posted on 08/19/2009 1:04:19 PM PDT by AJKauf
Former Atlanta Falcon, now Philadelphia Eagle Michael Vick, fresh off Sunday’s appearance on 60 Minutes, sure has his loyal supporters, and they have surprising strength in numbers.
All seem to agree that Vick has done his time for running Bad Newz Kennels, his infamous dogfighting ring. So he tortured, maimed, electrocuted, drowned, and body-slammed a bunch of dogs. You want remorse for that, when other football players kill people? Leave the guy alone! Vick sat in jail long enough, he’s been punished enough, he deserves a second chance, now let him enjoy a full comeback to the NFL with all the benefits that brings.
Besides, isn’t one of Vick’s posse none other than the CEO of the Humane Society of the United States? Enough, already.
I’m no fan of Vick, but I’m trying to see things the way his fans do. And I’m actually starting to like the “he’s done his time” position. Because I can think of some others who’ve done their time and deserve a second chance: the dog lovers of Denver, Colorado...
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here in Georgia we lost a retired UGA professor and his wife due to dog attacks. Michael Vick wouldn’t have let this happen. . .
Love the Chair Force thing. Although tis the first time I heard of it.
Obviously I’m not arguing his sentence or even if he should be allowed to play football again. I didn’t know about losing jobs/rehire for a penalty but that was never the gist of any beef I had against Vick.
I made my point fairly graphically and of course I’m right. Heck I can administer shots to my dogs and surely he could have had someone just give them an overdose if he wanted them put down. Not justifying this either, and certainly not the “sport” of dog fighting, but maybe the dogs were too torn up or some such. They could have given the suffering dogs an overdose buried in a big plate of food for God’s sake.
This man wanted those dogs to suffer and more than anything I view him as evil. That stuff about felons, no job, worse punishment for dogs than humans isn’t the meat of my debate.
Although if you hold a gun to my head I’m thinking the league officials shouldn’t have re-hired the creep but then you’d have set a precedent and football players are not known far and wide for their pristine criminal records.
I’m all for allowing the fans to have the say on this one. As I hear it, Philadelphia fans are none too eager about this event and I’m thinking Philly fans are a right tough lot.
I think Vick will peter out to nothing. Because he is a nothing. Now he’s a two year in jail nothing and if other assessments on his talent are right, he was nothing to write home about when he was not a felon.
This is not about loving dogs more than humans and certainly we should put Chris Dodd in jail how’s that for a dumb argument?
But Vick is really an evil person, the very definition of evil. Freepers complain about sports players and how they feel they are above it all.
We shall see. He’s going to be a big nothing-burger and the entire NFL is going to look really dumb for even giving this guy a second chance.
Wild dogs I heard.
That’s a really sad story although you appear to be making a silly joke.
“There is something deeply wrong, psychologically, with a man who can do such things repeatedly....”
....exactly....it has nothing to do with his athletic ability....but everything to do with him as a person...he’s part of a new breed of feral crimnals who cannot be “rehabilitated” because they have never been “habilitated” in the first place....they are committing acts of savagery daily in our cities....and they are very,very dangerous.
Okay so my husband’s sitting here ‘splaining some things to me.
Husbands do this sort of thing.
“Problem is the NFL has nothing to do with hiring the guy,” he explains to me as I lament that some dope would offer an argument that Chris Dodd should go to jail in a Mike Vick thread and how very dumb some people can be.
“So who hires the players? Doesn’t the NFL have some say in who is hired?” I ask husband.
“No. It’s the owners who decide who to hire and if you go making it illegal to hire Vick then you’ve got a whole bunch of other sports thugs who’ve done all sorts of things.”
I do believe I did say that somewhere. My husband is a drop dead serious football fan and he’s not going to watch a Philly game so he says.
Then again he doesn’t like evil people, loves dogs and thinks arguments about Chris Dodd on a Mike Vick thread is also very stupid.
Really????? No consideration for how many dogs were killed? No consideration for the various methods of how the dogs were killed? No consideration that the reason why he killed the dogs is that they were no longer any good for fighting (oh, yeah, he wasn’t just killing dogs - he was using them for sport and profit - but we won’t mention that). No consideration for the fact that illegal gambling was a motivating factor, or the fact that drug use/abuse/sales was also conducted during the dog fighting events? Wow. Just incredible.
One more thing then I’ll shut up.
Husband the rabid football fan tells me that Vick is a wonderful quarterback.
This to those who said Vick was bad. I dunno and do not accept any premise that my husband is right about that. He’s wrong quite a bit, in fact, as is often the case with husbands.
But I thought I’d throw it out there.
;)
Michael Vick was (and I stress the “was” part as he’s been out for two years now) a decent ball carrier, but not all that accurate with his passes. The Falcons did better last year without him in the lineup.
Vick is a very talented young man in a very violent sport. BUT, he is deeply flawewd, psychologically else he could not have been so ddeply involved in such cruelty to living/sentient things. As said above, he is the prototypical feral urban predator, he just happens to have been blessed with natural talents, focused in a violent sport. But realize, football was not what fired up his ‘rush’, cruelty—a sickness of the soul—drove the man to do what he did repeatedly.
He paid and paid dearly. It’s estimated that his behavior and subsequent imprisonment cost him approx. $100 million+ in lost endorsements and salary.
I’m with the “He’s paid his debt” crowd. He’s paid his debt quite literally in cash and prison time and that includes forced payouts to the animal rights crowd.
Don’t get me wrong, as a dog owner/lover, what he did was abominable. But where do we as a society draw the line as it relates to the value of a human life over a dogs life?
Another football player can make a decision to get behind the wheel drunk and run down another human being and gets no prison time. It’s called a “mistake” yet Vick’s actions were called “decisions”. Sorry, both were “decisions”.
IMO, our society has lost perspective on the value of a human life and prefers animal lives over humans.
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Very convincing!
Vick isn’t even a good quarterback. He is flashy - big deal. He is a POS and a thug who does not deserve to be in the NFL along with other thugs like Ray Lewis.
Is it so difficult for major league sports to have minimum standards? Isn’t the NFL concerned about reinstating someone who torutured and killed dogs for profit and pleasure?
Ahhhh, I see the dog killing psychopath is out of jail. Poor man served 18 months and only draw's a salary of $1.6 million this year. He's laughing all the way to the bank....
No need to reply back.
I wonder if his job in prison was teaching the guys in the laundry how to build “do it yourself” rape stands.
Heh heh. Well said! Although McNabb has had some very good days!
Yikes. You never know who you need a /sarc tag with these days.
Rated the worst in all of football for quarterbacks with enough attempts to be rated. The worst. Bottom of the barrel.
I guess I’m too dumb.
I don’t know what you mean by “no consideration”.
I consider killing a man at least one order of magnitude greater a transgression than killing dogs and gambling combined.
You are, of course, free to disagree.
Just so you know, I’m an Eagles fan. Which does not preclude, and indeed implies, that I bust on McNabb and the Birds reflexively.
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