Return to the Real Mass Murderer Known as John Doe #2, Tim McVeigh/Terry Nichols were dupes

French 6th Division Judicial Police ^ | 08/14/09 | TomTGradeczek

[rlmorel]

Anyone who has read Jayna Davis’ “The Third Terrorist” cannot believe Middle Eastern terrorism was NOT behind this.

[smokingfrog]

bfl

[Lancey Howard]

Thanks for taking the time to post this. The “official” version of the OKC bombing story has always stunk to high heaven, almost as bad as TWA Flight 800.

[Lancey Howard]

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[matthew fuller]

Welcome to FR!

[The Magical Mischief Tour]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/697881/posts

[BootsOfEscaping]

Read “The Third Terrorist” by Jayna Davis...quite a chilling read on the subject.

http://www.jaynadavis.com/highlights.html

Her investigation of the OKC bombing was far more detailed than any other I have read about yet her book went unnoticed.

[brityank]

Here's a link to a Wall Street Journal report on both the Jayna Davis and Laurie Mylroie investigations into the OKCB and WTC bombings:

Seven weeks after the bombing, Ms. Davis's KFOR television station began broadcasting a series of reports on a possible Middle East connection. It did not name Mr. al-Hussaini, but did include photographs of him that digitally obscured his face. Mr. al-Hussaini sued for libel and defamation, denying any association with the bombing. In November 1999, U.S. District Court Judge Tim Leonard dismissed the lawsuit.

Citing defense contentions Mr. al-Hussaini's counsel failed to dispute, the judge ruled that Ms. Davis had proved that Mr. al-Hussaini "bears a strong resemblance to the composite sketch of John Doe #2," including a tattoo on his left arm, that he was born and raised in Iraq, that he had served in the Iraqi army, and that his Oklahoma City employer had once been suspected by the federal government of having "connections with the Palestine Liberation Organization."

In her book, "The War Against America: Saddam Hussein and the World Trade Center Attacks," Laurie Mylroie says that the bomb was designed to topple the North Tower into the South Tower and envelop the scene in a cloud of cyanide gas. Hearing the case, Judge Kevin Duffy agreed, saying that if the plan had worked, "we would have been dealing with tens of thousands of deaths." After the bombing, the FBI rounded up four Muslims who moved in extremist circles in the New York area. Three others escaped overseas: a Palestinian, an Iraqi named Abdul Yasin, and Ramzi Yousef.

Ms. Mylroie's book argues that Iraq was complicit in this attack. At the very least, she notes, Saddam Hussein is harboring a wanted terrorist: Abdul Yasin. He came to the U.S. six months before the Trade Center attack and is charged with helping mix chemicals for the bomb. Picked up in an early sweep after the bombing, he talked his way out of an FBI interrogation and turned up back in Baghdad.

None of this is "hard evidence," let alone "conclusive evidence," that Saddam Hussein was complicit in Sept. 11 or any of the other domestic terrorist attacks. But there is quite a bit of smoke curling up from various routes to Baghdad, and it's not clear that anyone except Jayna Davis and Laurie Mylroie has looked very hard for fire. We do know that Saddam Hussein plotted to assassinate former President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait in April 1993. Could he have been waging a terror offensive against the U.S. ever since the end of the Gulf War? This remains a speculative possibility, but a possibility that needs to be put on the table in a serious way.

If you haven't read either book suggest you get copies and see just how much has been left out of the 'official' reports, and the lack of investigation from our Maggot Media.

[brityank]

 

The Third Terrorist
by Jayna Davis

[Bellflower]

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[BILL_C]

“This remains a speculative possibility, but a possibility that needs to be put on the table in a serious way.”

You can’t even begin to believe much less understand how you’ve been lied to until you understand the psychology of the big lie. It’s obvious the Middle East was connected and it’s OBVIOUS that Iraq was involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFwkIv8AsI

[BILL_C]

Too much evidence of additional perps that was never addressed.

Before you can UNDERSTAND the BIG LIE, you have to at see how they do it. Go back a few decades before OKC to see where the playbook was written.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFwkIv8AsI

If I exlained the additional “mysteries” of OKC you wouldn’t believe me, first you have to see how easy it is to tell you lies.

[Texas Jack]

The BATF had offices in the OKC Federal building. It's interesting that not a single BATF employee showed up for work that day. Also, the BATF had stockpiled a large cache of explosives in the basement of the building. If you look at the photos after the blast, you can see what appears to be low level destruction, which could not have been caused by a truck bomb setting out in the street.

As zero's numbers drop look for another such event to occur. The press is prepping the public for the event with their wild stories of "right wing hate groups."

[The Duke]

One interesting thing I remember from this incident was how the police artist's sketch of McVeigh that appeared very shortly after the bombing was what proved to be McVeigh's exact likeness.

I really don't think that picture could have been so close without something strange going on behind the scenes.

[doug from upland]

I’ll have to call her and ask.

[TXnMA]

The Ryder truck was parked at grade level of the lowest floor of the Murrah office tower. There was no "basement" beneath that part of the structure.

[TXnMA]

"But here is the post from PBWY, which I will use to head up my own post."

What is the URL of that earlier FR thread, please?

[weezel]

Wanna hear something equally as whacky? Nichols wife’s maiden name is padilla.

[TomTGradeczek]

Follow Up to some of the comments and questions about my post here and my book!

First, thank you to the people who read my post here, and also to those who wrote comments. I especially want to thank the person who posted the correct link to my reference website earlier. Please excuse me when I say that I did not post the wrong link to my book page intentionally. I was rushing too much and put in http://www...etc for the link that freerepublic required. I did not catch this error when proofing my post. The correct link should be:

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http://waiting4johndoe2.tripod.com/book.html

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I guess I wasn't clear about a few things. I wasn't in the USA from April 15, 1995 until April 26, 1995. I was in France and England. I cannot comment on what Jayna has said in her book, except to say that the guy she seems most focused on to be John Doe #2 was detained in the USA during that period. I like the book by David Hoffman, "The Oklahoma City Bombing and The Politics of Terror". The post by nunya bidness on this forum, 6/15/2002 at 4:21:07 pm has a very large number of quotes from this book. The eyewitness reports that seem consistent (including one that turned into one of the John Doe #2 drawings) are listed below.

begin quotes "That same day, or possibly the following day, Debbie Nakanashi, an employee at the Post Office across from the Murrah Building, saw the pair when they stopped by and asked where they might find federal job applications. It was Nakanashi who provided the description for the well-known profile sketch of John Doe 2 in the baseball cap."

"Accompanying McVeigh was a short, stocky, handsome man, of either Mexican or American Indian descent. The man closely resembled the FBI sketch of John Doe 2, they said."

"The passenger in the pick-up was dark skinned with black hair, average height, and had a "real muscular build," she said. He was wearing a t-shirt and sun-glasses, and "looked just like the John Doe 2 sketch." end quotes

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There is a helpful drawing of John Doe #2 further down in the comments to this (my original) post. The difference is this. I personally saw this guy, and he looked nearly exactly like the drawing below, so I don't really need to ask other people who saw him. I saw him because I was helping out a fellow-American, by using more than an hour of my time, sitting 3 feet away from him, in the crowded office of a small hotel, translating for him while he tried to get a very specific hotel room 2 nights, April 20 & 21, 1995. The hotel manager who was 4 feet away, directly across a desk, is also more than positive the guy in the drawing below, is the guy who registered at the hotel that night in the middle of a sleeting ice storm (check the weather for Reims the night of the 20th).

But best of all neither the hotel manager/owners or I had to consider whether we were right about matching the drawing picture, showing in the comments to my post, with the person we saw April 20 and 21, 1995. (I actually saw him twice because JD#2 asked for directions to the local market and I saw him buying wine there on the 21st.)

When the Interpol flying squad and the French 6th Division Judicial Police arrived in town, the Interpol Investigative Detective Director just told us outright, the guy we met, was the guy who was the supervising bomb designer/builder for the Oklahoma City bombing. This detective had informants in the Frankfurt, Germany Neo-NAZI sub-culture and he said that these Neo-NAZI groups were waiting to assist this bomber, so Interpol was waiting for John Doe #2 to arrive. It's true that Interpol was thrown off completely when John Doe #2 made his way to the American Servicemen's Cemetery in Reims, instead of going directly to Frankfurt. But after regrouping, Interpol took off to chase this suspect again.

The French 6th Division Judicial Police spent the next few days after the Interpol detectives took off, canvasing the town, interviewing witnesses, writing the final reports, doing surveillance on the streets surrounding the hotel and acting as body-guards for the key witnesses. The FBI liaison agent (or Special Agent he didn't specify) who worked in the US Embassy in Paris told me how he was arranging for me to do interviews with other FBI agents "the minute I was back on American soil", and how I was to make those contacts.

The Interpol people had expressed grave concerns about the safety of the hotel owner/managers and myself, because of how dangerous they considered JD#2 to be. The hotel owner/managers asked me to promise not to reveal who they were. Bombings are a real threat over there and Frankfurt isn't that far from Reims. The Interpol detective director had suggested that I might be better off, talking to my congressional representative first about this matter and then the press. At the time it didn't register with me that he wasn't suggesting I talk to the FBI. But now I understand why.

The French 6th Division Judicial Police had a completely different point of view, maybe because they do the legwork on the ground when these types of investigations happen. Those French agents suggested I write a book. They were already having me help them with the reports from people in the town, translating American idiom into French. So since I had all these interview reports etc. they thought a book would be easy. The French counter-terrorism police also didn't think I should depend totally on the FBI. Again, I was gung ho to help the FBI. America had been attacked and I just wanted to help.

I DID interview with the FBI when I returned,...twice. They seemed more intent on changing my story than taking good notes on what I was telling them. Eventually I figured out I had to write the book. Rep. Charles Key in Oklahoma got one of the first drafts in 1996/97. Of course I didn't realize the FBI didn't want it known they had bozo'd the part about letting the key bomb builder get out of the country, it might have confused the McVeigh trial.

It's well known now that the FBI DID issue an arrest warrant for murder against Andreas Strassmeir, and Andreas barely escaped from the USA. It wasn't possible to get him back to the USA because the FBI wouldn't guarantee that Andreas wouldn't be up for the death penalty. Now if there are people out there who successfully connect Andreas Strassmeir to an Islamic terror group, then Jayna may have a link to my story. An FBI arrest warrant for murder is pretty serious, so I assume they know Andreas Strassmeir is involved in the Oklahoma City bombing with certainty.

But I've seen the person calling himself Chris Chapula (as listed in the US State department's list of "persons of interest"). He looked like the first John Doe #2 drawing so much, it really IS scary. Now as to who is Chris Chapula, that's still up in the air. The FBI says he doesn't exist. The US State Dept wants to know his movements in foreign countries. Shotgun News had his address in 1994 listed as:

209 Rambling Oaks Drive

Moore, Oklahoma (a suburb south of Oklahoma City)

This may have been a mail drop for Chris Chapula, but it is close enough to the Murrah bombing area to be odd. In any case the 2 FBI agents whose interviews with me, didn't get to any of the defense attorneys for the convicted bombers, Allot of other connections between Andreas Strassmeir and the Oklahoma City bombing are on the web page link at the top of this post.

PS: I'm still seeking an agent and book publisher.

Thanks to all, tomtgradeczek@lycos.com

[Free Vulcan]

Well having read the book BCCI, with Clinton tangled in the middle of all that, and then Stephanopulous slipping years laters saying the TWA disaster was a missile, a ME source of the plot is so much within the realm of possibility.

And I think that was just the tip of the iceberg.