Posted on 08/13/2009 11:53:07 AM PDT by nomoremods
We must be careful: they're trying to woo back the seniors' vote by this. Then they'll deny them care because it's too costly. Danger danger, Will Robinson.
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You've got it. And after all is said and done, the death panel provision will be slipped back in when the bill is in conference.
I didn’t think the senate was still in session.....
They still need to JUST SAY NO to the whole rotten mess. They can’t dress up the PIG-it’s still a pig.
Any links on that? Thanks.
Watered down tyranny is still tyranny!!!
GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTH CARE COMPLETELY AND KEEP THEM OUT!
This ENTIRE bill has to be thrown out!
A compromise from the Republicans will still produce the same result --- socialized health care -- and government control over all aspects of our lives.
“Only for now.”
Exactly. I 100% guarantee you that it will find its way back in. Five years, 10 years, 15? Doesn’t matter. If Obamacare passes, this will make its way back in.
Snuffin’ granny and gramps is the only way to control healthcare costs without tort reform.
I wrote Senator Grassley tonight and informed him that we viewed this as a sop!!! I told him 1. NO PUBLIC OPTION!! 2NO DEATH PANELS 3. NO FREE HEALTH CARE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS!!! 4. NO TAXPAYER PAID BABY KILLING and 5. NO PASSIVE EUTHANASIA!!
I worry about him.
Persuade and old person to...die so that the cost savings can be given to younger people under the age of 40.
My mother and my husband did not want to linger miserably in a hospital while bills decimated the nest egg they had worked for most of their life and that they wanted to leave to their loved ones. My mother had her mitral valve replaced with a pig valve when she was 78. Nine years later it started to fail. In consultation with her doctor it was decided she was too frail to withstand another valve surgery.
I cared for her a week after she came home from the first operation after 3 weeks in the hospital and a rehabilitation facility. It was horrible; she had been cut from throat to just above her naval, her ribs spread apart. She was still very week, and the stitches had only been recently removed. She knew another surgery was unrealistic, but we had several months together to talk, read, and share her memories of her early life. She died at age 89.
Just in case there is anyone out there who needs mitral valve surgery, you should know the incisions are not like that these days. You would be amazed how small incisions are now. There have been big advances. Recovery is much faster now too.
p.s .I’m glad you had time to spend with your mom.
It’s a start, but I won’t trust them unless they enact legislation saying they will never do this. Once it gets signed, I heard Obama’s czars can do anything they want.
Thank you for the contribution to this discussion. This is a decision that everyone will have to make at some point. It's a tough decision. No one wants to see a loved one die. But I do think it's a decision that a person should make in consultation with their family, and not a government-mandated intervention.
I cared for her a week after she came home from the first operation after 3 weeks in the hospital and a rehabilitation facility. It was horrible; she had been cut from throat to just above her naval, her ribs spread apart. She was still very week, and the stitches had only been recently removed. She knew another surgery was unrealistic, but we had several months together to talk, read, and share her memories of her early life. She died at age 89.
It is very difficult to see a loved-one suffer and approach death. It's very difficult to say good-bye. But I am glad to hear you were able to spend some time together. I think it does make a difference despite the pain of it all. There is a time to carry the pain, and a time to say good-bye. And I hope this won't sound too superficial, but in the end I do think only the good memories last. Best to you.
Read the last three lines of Page 430 of the bill, and I wonder if this will be cut out of the bill????
“11 ‘‘(B) The level of treatment indicated under subpara12
graph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treat13
ment to an indication to limit some or all or specified
14 interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may in15
clude indications respecting, among other items—
16 ‘‘(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the
17 patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac
18 or pulmonary problems;
19 ‘‘(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer
20 to a hospital or remaining at the current care set21
ting;
22 ‘‘(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
23 ‘‘(iv) the use of artificially administered nutri24
tion and hydration.’’.’
You are right on this. I oppose Palin outright (she isn't conservative), but credit where credit is due.
Look them up, especially any with health care credentials or positions and research them
One of them has those beliefs
Sorry I don't remember his name, but we will come across it again
It didn’t need to be in this bill. The panel to oversee healthare was in the stimulus bill that already passed. It was a red herring in this bill.
In the stimulus bill, being a doctor to sit on this panel is NOT a requirement.
Hey wait....................I thought Obama said this WASN’T in the bill...
47 million will be the 1st wave. The second wave will be when the Mexican government starts taking down what little fence there is so they can shift an ever increasing percentage of their healthcare costs onto us.
Democrat congressmen will bullhorns will once again unabashedly stand up to the millions of illegals and remind them that it is they who made the benefits possible, and it is the Obama Administration Demoncrats who are blocking their deportation.
Way too small! There are several Senate bills in the works, then there is the House bill (HR3200). Which version is Sen. Grassley talking about? What a shell game!
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