Casing-code issues snag handgun law

San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | August 10, 2009 | James P. Sweeney

[neverdem]

SAF Sues District of Columbia over Carrying of Handguns

Alan Gura's on the job.

[BenLurkin]

Forcing manufacturers to make a major change their designs and manufacturing program (or else see Californians deprived of their right to purchase the products) seems to be a very unreasonable infringement on the citizen's rights.

[vrwconspiracist]

Not to mention interstate commerce.

[mikelets456]

Communists don’t care about citizen’s rights....

[TexGuy]

Seems just as reasonable as requiring all cars to meet unatainable fuel efficiency standards.

Why don't they just pass laws requiring everybody to be millionaires and the problem of poverty would be solved!

[neverdem]

“The problem I have with this is it can't be done,” said Kevin Reid, Ruger's general counsel. “The legislation says it has to work 100 percent of the time and there is nobody, nobody including Todd Lizotte himself, who would say it will always work.”

"It's a Gift" when your opponents are ignorant ideologues.

[TomOnTheRun]

Forcing manufacturers to make a major change their designs and manufacturing program (or else see Californians deprived of their right to purchase the products) seems to be a very unreasonable infringement on the citizen's rights.

I hear ya but people are desperate to come up with something that makes it easier to hunt down and prosecute violent criminals. Instinct makes me say that there are better and less onerous ways to trace criminal use of weapons back to particular guns and particular criminals. I'm not an engineer so I don't know what those would be. I didn't even know this serial numbering thing on individual bullets was possible - much less that it had already been patented 15 years ago.

We got a load of people that know about these weapons and how they work. What ideas do you guys have that would make it easier to trace shots back to a specific gun without getting in the way of legal buyers and sellers of weapons? (I'm not good with machines - sorry if this is a stupid or impossible question.)

[Renegade]

“The bottom line is this technology is going to help put criminals behind bars,” he said. “We should do it.”

Like a criminal won’t file the nanostamp off the firing pin or the cartridge marker .

[Madistan]

They should enact a law that makes it illegal to use a weapon while committing a crime.

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[Eagle Eye]

New models going forward will be barred from the California market

Good.

[1010RD]

Jerry Brown is a one man wrecking machine. He ruined CA and sent his bad ideas across the nation. Jerk.

[Syntyr]

Nahhhhh They will just carry a revolver.

In fact I might be tempted to carry a revolver soemthing like say a .45 acp and go to a range and pick up a bunch of .45 spent brass. Use the revolver and throw the spent brass on the ground.

But then again I guess that requires thinking...

[BenLurkin]

Which people are so “desperate” to come up with something that makes it easier to hunt down and prosecute violent criminals that to them our rights become insignificant?

But here's a suggestion — since every drive-by shooting involves the use of a motor vehicle, enact laws requiring every motor vehicle to leave its VIN number inked onto the pavement every 50 feet.

[Iron Munro]

New models going forward will be barred from the California market

I forsee long production runs for existing models of semiautomatic handguns sold in Kawl-ee-fawn-ee-yaa.

[Bob]

New models going forward will be barred from the California market

Good.

And this is good because...?

[TomOnTheRun]

Which people are so “desperate” to come up with something that makes it easier to hunt down and prosecute violent criminals that to them our rights become insignificant?

I would imagine the feeling is starting to spread pretty far and wide. Drive-by-shootings are wildly demoralizing to neighborhoods. This doesn't justify infringing on rights but it does explain why that happens. People get fed up and don't care about anything except making the violence stop.

But here's a suggestion — since every drive-by shooting involves the use of a motor vehicle, enact laws requiring every motor vehicle to leave its VIN number inked onto the pavement every 50 feet.

I did say I'm not an engineer or good with machines - I'm sorry if it is a stupid or impossible question to anybody that is. It just seems to me that there should be a way of tracing shots in crimes back to specific guns and then back to specific criminals that DOESN'T infringe on rights or needlessly complicate the weapons.

[Eagle Eye]

If the residents of California are going to let their representatives make more silly laws then they should be the ones to bear the brunt of it, not us.

No reason for the firearms industry to re-tool or suffer because of California’s silly restrictions.

Same thing for excessive tobacco or alcohol taxes. Or special EPA equipment. Just stop selling the products there.

[Iron Munro]

If gun control laws and laws against criminal use
of guns worked, the USA would now be 99.99%
free of crimes involving criminal use of guns.

[Syntyr]

Tom,

I don’t think anyone is jumping on you they are just speaking in general what a lame brain idea this is. illustrating absurdity with absurdity...

If you want to get down to the crux of the issue think of this one question...

“How many criminals do you think go in to a gun store and purchase a weapon for using an ID with their real name and address on it?”

When you answer that question you will get an idea of how many crimes this will help solve.

This is not about solving crimes. It’s about drying up the supply of guns in California. The harder they make it the scarcer guns become. It’s back door illegalization plain and simple.

[Syntyr]

It's bad because the idiots in California are the first ones to do it. When it works there and dries up the supply of new guns then the idiots in Nevada will say “Ohhhhh look how that worked” and then do the same. Then Vermont, then Massachusetts, then Main, then New Jersey, and New York. Pretty soon its the law of the land.

Incrementalism at its worst.

We will not let the enemy establish a beachhead! ;) just my 1.5 cents