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Health care that will kill us (Deathcare™ plan threatens to make the sick sicker)
Pittsburgh Live ^ | 8/09/09 | John Browne

Posted on 08/09/2009 8:17:13 PM PDT by Libloather

Health care that will kill us
By John Browne
Sunday, August 9, 2009

The president's new health plan has garnered much criticism, as has his handling of the economy. Until relatively recently, America had an economy, currency and health system that was the envy of the world.

Today, the economy and currency look sick. There is an urgent need to curb entitlement spending and boost infrastructure spending to lift the economy and strengthen the currency. But the president appears intent upon a course that will boost entitlement spending at the expense of investment in infrastructure.

Much of it will be spent on a massive government health plan that threatens the physical health of Americans. In America, there is an old saying that "while the rich get richer, the poor get poorer." The proposed health plan threatens to make the sick sicker.

It is generally accepted that a solid infrastructure is an essential ingredient of a modern, economically successful economy. It also is accepted that America's infrastructure is in a state of advanced decay, needing $1 trillion to restore it to health. Some economists assert that for each trillion dollars spent on infrastructure, 3.5 million real, wealth-generating jobs are created.

Therefore, if the government were to spend $1 trillion on bringing U.S. infrastructure up to standard and a further $1 trillion on improving it, that would create 7 million jobs. This would restore both full employment and the economy.

Faced with this opportunity, it is amazing that President Obama appears to be intent upon pursuing a debt-financed, multitrillion-dollar spree on entitlements such as education and health.

While jobs will be created, they will be wealth-consuming and a drag on the economy.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; bhoeconomy; bhofascism; bhohealthcare; deathcare; democrats; economy; healthcare; kill; obama; obamacare; socializedmedicine
The experiences of Great Britain, Canada and Massachusetts are instructive.

Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits (crushed in only 40 years!)

1 posted on 08/09/2009 8:17:13 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

I am dumbfounded! How did this piece of logic get past the editors of “pravda at the point’?


2 posted on 08/09/2009 8:22:49 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: Libloather

This was written in the Burgh? Wow!


3 posted on 08/09/2009 8:35:21 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Libloather

I have always been so puzzled that Obama, Hillary, Democrats in general over the years, seldom talk about the experiences with socialized medicine in other countries.

They always talk in generalities about how “unfair” or “costly” our system is; at how “greedy” doctors or HMOs or insurance companies are, BUT, they never talk about whether socialized medicine, IN ACTUAL PRACTICE, solves the problems with healthcare delivery or cost.

It seems to me a “no brainer” that, in considering a massive change to a big piece of our economy, that we should study the good and the bad about the plans in other countries which have already put these plans in place.


4 posted on 08/09/2009 8:36:47 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Libloather

John Browne, a financial analyst and former member of Britain’s Parliament, is a financial and political columnist for the Trib. He is a frequent contributor to CNBC, Fox Business News and CBS. E-mail him at: johndbrowne@yahoo.com


5 posted on 08/09/2009 8:37:39 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

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6 posted on 08/09/2009 8:38:28 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I have always been so puzzled that Obama, Hillary, Democrats in general over the years, seldom talk about the experiences with socialized medicine in other countries.

They rarely, if ever, talk about freedom or liberty either.

7 posted on 08/09/2009 8:41:15 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea Totaler, PROUD Birther)
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To: ak267
from another blog

If you have 17 minutes and want to better understand the health bill, then this town hall presentation by Rep Brady of TX is a great one.

I was so impressed, I thought it deserved it's own thread. ---------

Highlights:

Reps received the 1,000 page bill at midnight and were expected to vote on it at 9:00 the following morning according to Rep Brady of [b]Texas[/b].

CHECK OUT THIS FLOWCHART! 31 NEW mandates and agencies between you and your doctors.

Doctors from TX Medical Center stated they have had no input and have no idea how this plan works or how it affects our patients.

Health Choice Administrator mentioned over 200 times in the bill. Discussed.

In five years, the plan is to push people from private to the gov plan.

No new enrollees in private plans.

Private health spending accounts completely controlled (micromanaged...cannot use $ to purchase over-the-counter meds.

Comparative Effectiveness Council...running into the rationing element...compared to other countries. One out of every ten Canadians cannot find a family physician because the shortages are so high.

Studies comparing gov run health care models, one is 50% more likely to die from cancer under those models. Those with prostate cancer in England are twice as likely to die than in the US.

Brady discusses his amendments that would jump critical needs patients to the front if the wait time was too long, dems killed the amendment.

Congressional Budget office says this plan will NOT reduce cost and the gov doesn't have the money to fund it.

Mandates on businesses and individuals discussed. Best estimates that his office received was that small businesses will be [b]forced to cut 4.5 million jobs as a result of these mandates ans tax penalties.

Half of all small businesses will fall into the area that gets taxed.

In 39 states, it pushes individuals into a tax bracket higher than 50%.

How do they get around funding?

Holy Fukk![/b]...the first four years you are taxed but receive no new services under the plan.

Medicare now costs nine times more than the gov estimated. what will happen with this plan?

Offered amendments that force Congress to use the same plan. They voted down the amendment.

Suggests that we should focus on the people who cannot get or who are not covered under insurance now. Alternatives discussed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryd90y7eOA4 .

8 posted on 08/09/2009 8:43:41 PM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: GoreNoMore
Please post this video as many places as you can. This man speaks rather unemotional but he does give you more information here.

If someone would want to post this as a separate thread it would be appreciated.

9 posted on 08/09/2009 8:46:14 PM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: GoreNoMore

Sorry ping because I couldn’t find the thread


10 posted on 08/09/2009 8:50:02 PM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: GoreNoMore

Great stuff. Thanks!

Yes it deserves its own thread.


11 posted on 08/09/2009 10:49:32 PM PDT by zipper
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To: Libloather
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Exposes Obamacare!

12 posted on 08/09/2009 10:57:51 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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