Gingrich: A slippery slope from gov't health to euthanasia

Politico ^ | Aug 9, 2009 | Erika Lovley

[SmartInsight]

Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said as Congress continues to hammer out healthcare reform legislation, lawmakers will need to be cautious that the policy doesn’t allow care to be denied to key patients.

"I don't want somebody in between the doctor and the patient," Dean said today on ABC's "This Week." "I don't want the possibility... of people setting standards of denying care."

"Communal standards historically is a very dangerous concept," Gingrich said. "You are asking us to trust turning power over to the government, when there are clearly people in American who believe in establishing euthanasia, including selective standards."

[Mount Athos]

"Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example Is is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason."

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Where_Civic_Republicanism_and_Deliberative_Democracy_Meet.pdf

From Ezekiel Emanuel's 1996 Hastings Center article. See link.

[FlingWingFlyer]

If people were required to pay their own medical bills, they wouldn’t have to worry about the health insurance companies or A GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT being involved in their medical decisions. That would be between them and their doctor.

[TCats]

I saw this and I agree. Trust me, when the Gov’t gets complete and truly complicated control over what services will be available there will be much less of the services available. Look at ANY Gov’t operated service (Amtrack, Postal Service, and a host of others). The only ‘Services’ that grow and are emphasized are things that bring in Revenues (IRS, Licensing Authorities, etc.).

The latter have no possibility of Private Sector competition while the former do - And the results are clear.

[Vince Ferrer]

"I don't want somebody in between the doctor and the patient," Dean said today on ABC's "This Week."

Who has the money in this relationship? It isn't the patient, or the doctor, its the government. Its the government-doctor relationship we need to worry about.

In a single payer system, the doctor is dependent on one entity for his or her salary. The has a chilling effect of resisting directives from the government about how health care will be rationed.

[GeronL]

we already reports from Oregon about people being denied care and offered assisted suicide.

what slope?

Its a diving board!

[SmartInsight]

The whole point of insurance is to spread the risk. Are you proposing that all insurance should be outlawed, as in no health insurance, no fire insurance, no car insurance, and so on? Let the poor die, if they can’t pay for the medical bills, let people lose their home and possessions, if their house catches fire, let people go bankrupt if they have an accident? And of course this extended to companies as well, any company that gets sued, let them go bankrupt, or if a doctor gets sued, let him go bankrupt and stop practicing?

Let’s just go back to the stone age, where we have nothing — those would be the consequences of what you are proposing.

You are trying to change the debate — it’s about whether the GOVERNMENT should be in charge of our health and life.

[SmartInsight]

“”Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example Is is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason.”

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Where_Civic_Republicanism_and_Deliberative_Democracy_Meet.pdf

From Ezekiel Emanuel’s 1996 Hastings Center article. See link.”

AND he is on the panel of doctor’s on the “Medican efficiency panel” or what4ever the name of it is, that will determine who is eligible for what treatment. I forgotthe name of the panel, but it already exists, it was created in the stimulus bill.

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I posted this in an online discussion with an Obama supporter and after feebly trying to spin out of it, he had to concede that he could see where the concerns come from. That quote is damning and Obama should be forced to clearly and totally reject it and dump Ezekiel Emanuel or it should be hung like an albatross around his neck.

[Question_Assumptions]

Note that in every one of these posters, the argument is about the cost (the number followed by RM) to take care of those targeted. Sound familiar?

[Mount Athos]

I have many more quotes!!

I'm not taking the time to format this, if you want links I can look them up for you.

--- Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008, Ezekiel Emanuel:

"Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others"

Ezekiel Emanual has also written that the elderly should get less care, that Americans are too enamored with high-tech care, and that people who have incurable illnesses—such as dementia—should not be guaranteed health care because they no longer contribute to society. -----

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, chief health-care policy adviser to Obama also wrote: 'Principles of allocation of scarce medical interventions', January 31, 2009

He explains how he prioritizes who will have care withdrawn to get Obama's cost savings.  "When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated"

Ezekiel Emanual wrote 'What Are the Potential Cost Savings from Legalizing Physician-Assisted Suicide?', New England Journal of Medicine, July 1998. He is brother of Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and on Obama's "Death Panel" right now.

Legislation mandates computers to be in doctors offices telling doctors what the government deems cost-effective and appropriate care. Penalties for doctors who ignore the guidelines.

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Also keep in mind that Obama's science czar advocated euthanasia, forced sterilizations, and population control.

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

[buffyt]

My son was without medical or dental insurance since May 26. He is 25 and healthy. He went to Denist and I paid $136 for it, much cheaper than it would have been if I had paid for health insurance for him for three months. That would have been about 500 dollars. It was cheaper to pay cash for that one dental appointment. Obama Care will jack up the prices. And does it even cover dental or vision? Those can be expensive. I think it will be expensive to have oBAMA care and it won’t cover anything more than a broken arm. And I have never broken a bone and I am 58.

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"Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason."

That is a very very scary statement! Is this guy related to Dr Mengele, the Nazi war doctor? Would this so-called dictor kill Sarah Palin's baby, Trig?

This statement should be broadcast and published in every news outlet, what obamma own medical advisor has written.

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dictor=doctor

[Cyropaedia]

Interesting, to say the least.

[skeptoid]

The Gingrich - Dean vid is here.

The euthanasia part starts at 11:30. (drag the bar to 11:20, hit pause and let it load for a while to avoid buffering)
org.whodat :
note that Newt is warning 'not to trust the government' on this, it's a thousand pages, and the door is wide open for 'community standard' which can easily include dictating who should not get health care.

[Cyropaedia]

"Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others"

Would anyone go to a doctor that espoused those kind of sentiments?

Honestly?

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