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To: sand lake bar

Sorry to tell you this but it IS working to the Dems’ advantage. Obama’s polls have started moving up again and THAT will drive the outcome. Unfortunately for us, the Independent voters seem turned off by the discord.

Now that we have the media’s attention (even it IS tilted against us) I wish we could find a way to keep our voices heard without yelling and chanting. Yes, I know the left always got favorable coverage for their demonstrations. I’m simply dealing with reality. With no spokespersons and no real organization (we don’t want Republicans to lead us), how do we get heard without the dramatics?

I’m mad, too. These town halls only provide canned talking points. For example, they keep telling us “No one will lose their private insurance”. But the CBO said MILLIONS would. I get furious every time they say that and completely understand why the town hall attendees erupt in anger.

Sorry to be the skunk at the tea party, but our very grassroots nature is now working against us. The media can make up whatever they want in the absence of spokespersons and a consolidated agenda. I don’t like it, but that’s the way it is.

I think the only hope we have is for SENIORS to get stirred up. Nothing scares a politician more than a handful of angry geezers!


69 posted on 08/09/2009 6:58:02 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: Timeout
I partly agree with you. However, since the cowardly democrats are now avoiding town hall meetings, the democrats won't have angry crowds for a foil any more.

A lot of people are mad that they are being lied to. Local talk radio here has all sorts of people calling in upset about this health care program.

I am beginning to think that they should go ahead and pass this health care turkey. Let them put down what they want in an actual bill, so that they can't dodge questions by saying "we don't have a final bill yet." Then everyone could run against democrats by promising to repeal the bill.

90 posted on 08/09/2009 7:12:14 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Timeout
Sorry to be the skunk at the tea party, but our very grassroots nature is now working against us. The media can make up whatever they want in the absence of spokespersons and a consolidated agenda. I don’t like it, but that’s the way it is.

That's a very good observation. The first question then becomes, how many people out there agree with us? The second question then is, for those that do agree, are they turned off by the so-called antics, or getting more frustrated by the driveby media's and democrats attempt to portray us as a "right-wing rabble"?

I'm hearing that many of the people protesting are democrats, or vote democrat. Are we all hearing the same? Is it true?

If it is, then good, they won't be happy by the smear they're organized by the GOP. If it's not true, then where are our organizers?

And Chris Wallace, if you're reading this, an email--one that very few of us FReepers, for example, heard of--is NOT organization!

96 posted on 08/09/2009 7:15:53 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Timeout

I disagree. IMHO the outrage is very real and it is quite obvious to anyone without an agenda. I am sorry it took so long for the American taxpayer to engage in democracy.


115 posted on 08/09/2009 7:26:39 AM PDT by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: Timeout

I simply thing you’re wrong. Rasmussen’s daily shows a drop in O’s numbers today. Independents look at the extremist authoritarian reaction by Dems, their desire to silence all criticism. Moreover, senior citizens are shifting away from supporting O on this. If Dems lose seniors, their toast.

I don’t see any other thoughtful Republican or conservative seeing things the way you do!


148 posted on 08/09/2009 8:00:39 AM PDT by sand lake bar
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To: Timeout; sand lake bar
Obama’s polls have started moving up again and THAT will drive the outcome

No they haven't. He down where he was a week ago. -8 overall approval. The movement this week is all within the margin of error. Just statistical noise.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

As for the rest of your posts. You really want to try auguring that by fighting back we are losing?

You could not be more wrong. Read the polling data. Approval vrs disapproval on the protestors is 41% pro, 35% opposed.

You also seem to have missed what happened at the AARP meeting this week. The organizers had to walk out. They were getting an earful from the seniors about their support for Obamamcare.

150 posted on 08/09/2009 8:04:47 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Obamanomics: we have to destroy the US Economy in order to save it!)
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To: Timeout

What polls would that be? using the Rass. poll and others who track only likely voters AND use a rolling average, I see no such bounce. No poll numbers go continuously down or up, but fluctuate. This is why the “snapshot” polls which are done over 3-5 days and maybe once every month or 5 weeks are useless. They can be coordinated with a favorable event such as the prisoner release from N Korea or the Unemployment rate drop (bogus as it is) to produce a false reading. By the time these results are reported another event will have occurred or people will have forgotten or learned more about the event causing the numbers to increase and their minds are again changed. The rolling average is by far the most accurate and using likely voters only makes it that much more accurate.


175 posted on 08/09/2009 8:37:06 AM PDT by 101voodoo (OBAMA-OPIATE FOR THE DUMB ASSES)
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To: Timeout

I think you are wrong about that. I love these grass roots protests and they are not astroturf.

Don’t put too much into a small percentage rise in O’s popularity. It could hinge on several things (heroic rescue of Chinese women done by heroic Bill, slight rise in stock market, or nothing in particular)

One thing it’s not due to is the protests at townhall meetings. People are lovin’ those.


249 posted on 08/09/2009 10:17:37 AM PDT by altura (http://auntmarysdailymusings.blogspot.com/)
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