Posted on 08/09/2009 3:25:12 AM PDT by South40
FRESNO, Calif. (AP) -- The California Highway Patrol says a police chase in Dinuba has ended with seven people dead, including four children.
The patrol says Dinuba police were trying to stop a car Saturday afternoon for a traffic infraction.
Patrol Sgt. Jon Baker says the driver went through a stop sign during the pursuit and collided with a pickup truck.
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“If you have a traffic offender get their license plate and get them at your leisure”
And if the car was stolen, you just arrested an innocent person.
“The people who were punished that committed no crime were the kids that died.”
And they died because someone blew through a stop sign, not because the police were chasing them. Simple logic would tell you that the person proved they were willing to blow through a stop sign. You cannot prove they did it simply because they were being chased. You just assume that.
If a perp were pointing a gun in the direction of the general public, no one would complain if the cops put 100 bullets in his brain before he took another breath. But if some perp points his car in the direction of the general public and steps on the gas threatening to kill everyone in his path, nobody would dare to shoot the b@$+@rd because....????You suffer from a distinct poverty of imagination. Why do crooks drive recklessly running from the cops? Because they're being chased.Well I don't know why they don't shoot the b@$+@rd. If they get a clear shot, they should be able to take it. Instead we are supposed to let them drive away unimpeded. It makes no sense at all.
As people have said multiple times in this thread, police forces *all over the world* have given up on police chases in *most* cases because it's counterproductive.
And if the car was stolen, you just arrested an innocent person.The police are smart enough to figure all of this out. Are you arguing that the police are too stupid to figure out extenuating circumstances so they need to be unleashed willy nilly like rabid dogs?
“Why do crooks drive recklessly running from the cops? Because they’re being chased. “
That’s an assumption. We can prove you wrong by pointing to someone driving recklessly that isn’t being chased. Which happens quite a bit.
If the police are trying to pull me over, I don’t run through a stop sign. Cops pull people constantly and they don’t bust through a stop sign. Therefore, you cannot blame the cops.
We had a case where a cop tried to pull over a motorcyclist. The motorcylist took off and the policeman gave up the chase. The motorcycle wrecked a few miles later doing over 100 mph and he was killed, taking a pedestrian with him. He wasn’t even being chased and someone still died.
So please prove that the guy would not have blown through the stop sign if the cop has given up the chase. We’ll wait patiently while you work that out.
How are you going to prove that the owner wasn’t driving the car when you show up several hours later to talk to him?
Cop sees car/truck speeding (traffic infraction). Cop turns on light and siren. Car/truck speeds up to flee being stopped. You are an idiot if you think the cop should go get a donut!
Any child can make up what ifs as a fantasy. Try dealing with what happened, not what ifs.
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That’s an assumption. We can prove you wrong by pointing to someone driving recklessly that isn’t being chased. Which happens quite a bit.Again, poverty of imagination.If the police are trying to pull me over, I don’t run through a stop sign. Cops pull people constantly and they don’t bust through a stop sign. Therefore, you cannot blame the cops. We had a case where a cop tried to pull over a motorcyclist. The motorcylist took off and the policeman gave up the chase. The motorcycle wrecked a few miles later doing over 100 mph and he was killed, taking a pedestrian with him. He wasn’t even being chased and someone still died. So please prove that the guy would not have blown through the stop sign if the cop has given up the chase. We’ll wait patiently while you work that out.
People, especially criminals tend to drive recklessly. However, let's just saying being chased by the police or, more aptly, the *possibility* of being chased by the police tends to make them more antsy.
Criminal behavior is to no small extent dictated by the cops. If car chases become less common so will reckless driving to avoid the cops.
How are you going to prove that the owner wasn’t driving the car when you show up several hours later to talk to him?Because the neighbors saw him? And don't hate the cops because the asinine "stop snitching" mentality doesn't exist because the cops actually behave?
Much of the failure of American criminal justice is due to the fact that the police act like an occupation force and are patently incapable of protecting the citizens they are supposed to serve.
The bootlicker mentality seems to be "I know if we let the cops act even more violent and violate our civil rights even more, then things will get safer!".
You must be the product of government schools. Get someone to read my post to you. I said nothing about going for donuts.
That must be how the cops you know spend their time for it to be the firs thing that came to mind. You should get out and meet some GOOD cops.
No...Mark’s contempt seems to be for “Revenue Agents.”
How did the cop act violently in this case?
You are welcome to your opinion.
I’m thinkin’ (smell anything burnin’!?) If I was an officer faced with this scene, I’ only give chase for a short distance, try to make sure I have the license # and a description of the car. When it becomes obvious that the perp is going to run at high speed until something happens,I’m going to abandon the chase. Now I know you can come up with some “what if’s” here, Like “What if the accident happened in that short chase?” Or “What if the person was already driving fast and recklessly before you gave chase”?)Almost every rule has some sort of exception, whether real, or imaginary. What I would try to accomplish would be an attempt to bring the perp to custody with the minimum risk to the public possible.Here’s another “What if” What if the officer had been the one that ran over a carload of people while on an extended chase? The perp makes it through the stop sign, and YOU are the one who plows into the family?
Even with siren and red lights on,I wouldn’t feel too good about that. I’d never forgive myself for that even if I was exonerated of wrongdoing by the dept. Guess I just wouldn’t make a good cop.
For the 24.8% of those who flee in a stolen vehicle, breaking off the chase is the best way to assure that the victim (you know, the guy whose vehicle was stolen?) that they will get back a driveable car that wasn't involved in a vehicular homicide.
Chasing the bad guys guarantees 3 things: 1: 87.2% will end up in an arrest or a death. Fine. 2: Nearly 100% of such chases will endanger innocent motorists and bystanders. Not fine. 3: By a margin of almost 7-to-1, the vehicle being chased will end the chase a wreck, with over 50% of those being totaled. Very not fine.
Do you disagree with those police departments who have adopted the policy of not continuing the pursuit if the speeds become excessive in populated areas or on busy thouroughfares? That is "protecting and serving." There is no such thing as a situation or set of circumstances which can crop up which gives the police a pass on that first and most-important DUTY. You do understand the word "duty," don't you?
I know how stimulating and cool it must be to hit the siren and mash the gas, but these are supposed to be professionals whose first obligation is to the public, not to their gonads. Many times, another cop will get in the path of the fleeing vehicle and later claim "HE TRIED TO HIT ME!!! ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON!!! What a crock of urine.
Take a a clue; the deadly intent belongs to the imbecile who gets in front of a fleeing suspect in a 4,000 lb car.
BTW, I don't smoke a bong, I mainline my weed, don't be a presumptuous buffoon.
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The gum't schools I attended taught me Latin as well as English. I read your post, and inferred your intent. You were appearing in support of not chasing perps. Did I miss anything?
Donuts are common to cop quotes. Anarchy seems more your style...
"I think it was a Honda, officer..."
How did the cop act violently in this case?Tree, meet forest.
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