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To: dsc
If you don’t believe in the legalization of vice, you’re not a libertarian. If you do, you are in conflict with the tenets of Christianity.

Your definitions of libertarian and Christian are quite narrow and exclusionary. I'll give you that most libertarians believe that the state should stay out of the bedroom and the medicine cabinet, but to suggest that unless one favors such government intrusion one is not Christian is absurd.

169 posted on 08/10/2009 8:31:11 AM PDT by Swing_Thought (The doorstep to the temple of wisdom is a knowledge of our own ignorance. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Swing_Thought

“Your definitions of libertarian and Christian are quite narrow and exclusionary.”

You say that as though Our Lord did not say, “Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!”

“I’ll give you that most libertarians believe that the state should stay out of the bedroom”

No, actually, that’s not true. Not that they don’t want to keep “the state” out of the bedroom; they just never stop there.

That “bedroom” crap is a smokescreen. They *claim* to be worried about “the state in the bedroom,” but after decades of that smokescreen we find that they demand complete legalization and enthusiastic endorsement of whatever vice they practice. Many, and especially libtards, laughed at those who foresaw indoctrination of elementary school students by sodomites, but that’s right where we are now. The question is not whether some boogeyman is going to crash into your bedroom; the question is whether you want to live in a society that celebrates vice, or one that deplores it.

“and the medicine cabinet”

Ditto here. Holland’s experiment with the legalization of marijuana is not working out well, you know. WRT narcotics, there are many elements in addiction. One of those is opportunity. The more people who have the opportunity to become addicted, the more will actually become addicted.

“but to suggest that unless one favors such government intrusion one is not Christian is absurd.”

That is *so* dishonest. You’ve created a false dichotomy: complete legalization or nightmare state with government agents “in the bedroom.”

That is not the choice that faces us.

If you don’t deplore and reject those things that the Christian faith says should be deplored, then you are not practicing the Christian faith. If you do not want to save both yourself and your neighbor from the glamour of evil, then you are not practicing the Christian faith. If you do not think it is best to live in a society that institutionalizes its rejection of those things, then you do not understand and accept the Christian faith.

And none of that requires bedroom police that listen at every keyhole. As Thomas Jefferson said, “When (the moral sense) is wanting, we endeavor to supply the defect by education (and religion). These correctives supplied by the moralist, the preacher and legislator lead into a course of correction of those whose depravity is not too profound to be eradicated.”

You can’t just pick and choose those elements of Christianity that appeal to you. It’s a seamless garment; an all-or-nothing package. And a libertarian who does not seek to protect the legal status of vice (as defined by the Christian faith) is not a libertarian, but a conservative.


175 posted on 08/10/2009 11:49:03 AM PDT by dsc (The "t" in the word "often" is silent.)
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