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To: Kansas58
Let me make clear that I believe Obama was born somewhere in the state of Hawaii. Days after his birth, a small legal notice was printed in the local newspaper announcing his birth. And the head of Hawaii's Health Department has stated that he reviewed pertinent documents and that Obama was indeed born in that state. So, those who believe Obama was born outside the United States, such as in Kenya, are simply out to lunch.

Ruddy doesn't get either. Obama's COLB is a secondary document. The file number printed on it links directly to the primary document, which has been sealed. Since COLB's can be issued to people who were not born in Hawaii, we have no conclusive proof where Obama was born. Relying on newspaper announcements and the word of a government official are not "proof." Nor can one rule out Kenya or anywhere else until the primary document is released. So-called journalists who characterize people being "out to lunch," who question Obama's place of birth are not doing their job.

9 posted on 08/06/2009 6:58:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Since COLB's can be issued to people who were not born in Hawaii, we have no conclusive proof where Obama was born.

Well said. The COLB was enough to trigger the automatic creation of newspaper notices. But a COLB is not proof - and therefore the notices are not proof. COLBs could be arranged without any physical baby (!) and without any independent observer of the birth.

The primary sources are the only things that matter. And for some reason Obama doesn't seem to want to release his B/C.

15 posted on 08/06/2009 7:05:48 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: kabar

*Days after his birth, a small legal notice was printed in the local newspaper announcing his birth.*

Again, this is automatically listed after a birth, in or out of state or even out of country is registered, by the newspapers.

Didnt I see that the family never lived at the address given???

That no one there has ever seen or heard of them? Is this simple fact never to be investigated by anyone on our side?

More of the same from the Ghost Prez ???


18 posted on 08/06/2009 7:12:19 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: kabar
Relying on newspaper announcements and the word of a government official are not "proof."

I'm not sure I agree with you.

They are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but they are evidence. If this went to court, and for some reason the original certificate were unavailable, they would suffice to establish the fact by a preponderance of the evidence standard.

And, although I can certainly accept that a foreign-born Obama would strive, NOW, to cover up the fact, it's very hard to believe that the coverup began within days of his birth, when he was a half-breed nobody born to a red-diaper baby, and likely out of wedlock at that.

To fit THAT into a conspiracy theory involves a conspiracy that. really, is much too big and involved to pass the reality test.

And there's no reason for a state official to outright lie about this, and trust that the lie will be backed up, all the way to Governor Lingle's office. Fukino's October statement was very imprecise (is English her native language?), but her July 09 statement was clear and direct. If she were an O-bot, she would have motive to lie, sure, but if the information to remove Obama from office is in the custody of the State of Hawaii, then it is certain to come out, and when it does, Fukino will be ruined.

I'm inclined to believe that Fukino is telling the truth, that "Obama's" long form established his NBC (if bastards can be NBCs), and that it's the name of his real father that's the hangup.

And I'm not sure how I feel about forced disclosure of non-disqualifying information, in violation of the law.

24 posted on 08/06/2009 7:21:54 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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