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To: penelopesire

Here’s a comment from the site Jim linked to:

I am amazed at the cluelessness of many people in this forum about the above obvious fake document. For instance: Kenya didn’t become a republic until December 1964; E.F Lavender is a common detergent in Kenya & the certificate# 44 0 47 is laughable: 47 = he’s the 44th US President, O = Obama & 47 = his age. Are all these coincidental you lunatics. Above all, Kenya is one of the most corrupt nations in the world & any body can obtain a forged document in minutes. The person who made this document was a person who wanted to make some few quick & easy dollars from brain-dead birther lunatics. Rallying around such blatant forgeries only helps to discredit ‘birther’ lunatics. BTW, thanks for giving unemployed Kenyan guys more $$$ to continue feeding you guys with blatant forgeries! Grow up guys!


35 posted on 08/02/2009 5:13:23 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

Yep..I agree that caution should be excercised for sure.


52 posted on 08/02/2009 5:21:05 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: SE Mom

Is it me or does it sound like the person who posted that is likely the person who forged the document?


53 posted on 08/02/2009 5:21:05 PM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: SE Mom

Too bsd. I thought Kenya became a republic 12/12/63.


92 posted on 08/02/2009 5:36:46 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SE Mom
BTW, thanks for giving unemployed Kenyan guys more $$$ to continue feeding you guys with blatant forgeries!

I probably shouldn't give my bank account number to the guy from Nigeria either, huh?

94 posted on 08/02/2009 5:37:37 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: SE Mom

Well even if it is a fake, I certainly enjoyed being glued to that thread for 14 hours straight today! ;)


101 posted on 08/02/2009 5:40:57 PM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: SE Mom

I seriously doubt that Mrs. Meyers earth friendly lavender soap is sold in Kenya.


120 posted on 08/02/2009 5:50:44 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: SE Mom
After looking at the disputed document more carefully, I'm not as concerned about the "Republic of Kenya" issue. There may be an easy and straightforward explanation for that objection to its authenticity.

The explanation requires a proper definition of the word "entry."

Think of a form as having two components: (1) standard boilerplate headings and verbiage that never vary, and (2) manually inputted information that is entered in the appropriate spaces and blocks on the form.

If you read the document carefully, the attestation of the registrar is that it is a certified "true copy of the entry recorded in the Birth Register."

In other words, it is a true copy of the "entry" in the birth register. It is not necessarily a copy of the actual document in which the information was originally entered.

It would work this way: suppose there is an original document on file, and it is in the proper expected form for 1961(that is, not on "Republic of Kenya" form heading). Its "entry" might logically and arguably mean all the information that was entered--inputted manually--on the form, not the form itself.

In 1964, to make a certified true copy of the "entry" from the original form the registrar would take the then-current form (showing "Republic of Kenya" form heading inasmuch as the Republic of Kenya was then in existence and its forms would be used) and copy the entry (the manually entered information) from the original form onto the new form.

The resulting certified true copy would therefore comprise the original entry (manually inputted information)from the old pre-Republic of Kenya form copied onto a post-Republic of Kenya form.

This isn't necessarily the correct interpretation. But I believe it is a plausible and logical explanation.

205 posted on 08/02/2009 6:25:56 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: SE Mom; Jim Robinson

The comment on that site about the Republic of Kenya not being in fact until 1964 is TECHNICALLY correct, however they issued a constitution in 1963.

http://www.constitutionnet.org/files/Kenyan%20constitution%20amended%202008.pdf

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, 1963

Now it was officially recognized by the government of Britain the world in 1964, but in 1963, when they declared their independence , they considered themselves “The Republic of Kenya”.

If I’m not mistaken, The United States of America wasn’t recognized by Britain as soon as we declared it. Only after being defeated in the war did they accept it. But we WERE the United States of America from the date of declaration.


299 posted on 08/02/2009 7:10:39 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: SE Mom

Good Lord. You’d think that post would put an end to all of this!


476 posted on 08/02/2009 8:50:06 PM PDT by browneyedGAgirl
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To: SE Mom
Are all these coincidental you lunatics. Above all, Kenya Hawaii is one of the most corrupt nations democrat states in the world & any body can obtain a forged document in minutes. There fixed it. Regardless of the fakery of that Kenyan BC - let me ask you this SE Mom - do you "believe" all the information that Barack Hussein Obama has put out about himself? Do you?
702 posted on 08/03/2009 6:39:36 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try BIGOTS.))
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To: SE Mom

People like SE sit there and insult us when he is lying thru his teeth.

THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA WAS ESTABLISHED IN DEC OF 1963, NOT 1964 AS YOU INDICATED. (SEE WIKIPEDIA).

YOU GOT CAUGHT LYING RED HANDED ! OBAMA GETS IMPEACHED JUST LIKE HE SHOULD BE. MORON ! NICE TRY


734 posted on 08/03/2009 7:37:25 AM PDT by theguyfromtampa
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To: SE Mom
Lavender is a British surname and British officials used initials on documents. There is genuinely an E.F.Lavender that did work as a court document clerk, previously worked for a Coal Company as a records clerk.

Need more info about E.F. Lavender being a detergent. Earth Friendly ECOS, Lavender scent, is a laundry detergent.

You can skip the name calling and insults, it undermines your point.

1,135 posted on 08/05/2009 12:36:59 AM PDT by PatriciaG (obama Lavender birth certificate BC)
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