Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Sorry for the delay in answering. I couldn’t get into FR. Probably a Panamanian thing.
Yes. Ibuprophin reduces swelling and therefore the pain.
Sorry, I don’t know anything about Aleve although I am familiar with the name.
A couple of years ago I went limping with one my kitties to the vets. I could hardly drive. The vet told me to buy Ibuprophin. He said to take one now and another in 8 hours. Period. Driving back home, I noticed a great difference.
Since I always seem to be hurting myself, I always keep some on hand.
Fr is having problems....Wonder if it’s under attack? Sometime a thread will be posted to explain what’s happening...We had similar problems up thread in the middle of the night....posted one of my comments twice....fairly far apart.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf
looking at table 3-1 (3-14 page 157) its confusing between Honolulu city and county rest of county etc but Hawaii state on the whole shows 100 not attended of 17,516.
92 in Honolulu the numbers dont add up for me.
“Was up most of the night researching and writing freep mails....will send you the outcome when I get my thoughts organized.”
Thank you.
You put blueberries in the freezer. I put mangos in the freezer.
I don’t know what is happening. I could/can get into other programs such as Drudge and Google, but not FR.
Congress has indeed made laws that define and explicate Citizen-At-Birth status
So, let’s take a look at these laws, to determine whether they’re:
A) Unconstitutional due to Congressional overreach, beyond express limitation to naturalization by the Constitution itself, or:
B) Only dealing with naturalization, and therefore not natural born, which is therefore correct per the power enumerated to Congress by the Constitution itself.
You keep banging your head on this, but if what you repeatedly insist is so, it’s either unconstitutional or the law only deals with naturalization. Take your pick. It can be no other way, jamese777.
The public law “Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part 2, § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth” has been on the books for decades and its never been challenged as unconstitutional.
The issue is indeed “another way” and I’m not “banging my head” at all!
That other way is that Article Two, Section One, Clause Five of the Constitution plus the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution plus the Public Law that defines the term “citizen at birth” all have the exact same meaning: someone born in the US.
I believe that to be why Barack Hussein Obama II is the duly elected and sworn in 44th President of the United States today. Remember that when Vice President Cheney certified the vote of the Electoral College, all it took was any two members of Congress (one senator and one representative) out of 535 to object to the vote being certified and an investigation would have had to be held by Congress of the objection. Not one member of Congress objected. There’s a reason for that.
The way to get rid of Obama is to defeat him at the polls in 2012.
WOW, What an article. This is the ABSOLUTE DEFINATIVE explanation on natural born citizen and Obama’s ineligibility. This is a MUST READ. ANYONE can understand this ONCE & FOR ALL.
http://www.thebirthers.org/misc/logic.htm
Cool. That’s a great post BP2. I’ll use it as future reference against those who say the US Constitution does not refer to the ‘Law of Nations’
Wonderful .. thank you for ALL your devoted efforts.
"pssst....post-card from a ship was January/February, 1961 remember... she wasn’t coming back, she was going going going...IMO"
I remember a mention of a her sending a post card from a ship, too. I first went looking in the Google cached "Obamafile" trying to find the family history pages which wasn't working out too well. Along the way, I hit the link for the live page rather than the cached copy and surprise! the site is back up which I did not know. (Great news - great resource)
This mention of a post card are to be found on the OBAMA FAMILY PAGE :
Under "Anna Visits Seattle":
On at least one occasion, very shortly after the birth of Barack Obama Junior, friends of Anna recall her visiting them in Seattle with her new born baby, Barack Obama Junior. Susan Blake, another high school classmate, said that during a brief visit in 1961, Dunham was excited about her husband's plans to return to Kenya "We all had June Cleaver as our role models, and she was blazing new trails for herself," said Blake, a former Mercer Island city councilwoman. Blake recalls that Dunham, who was calling herself Ann Obama at the time, visited her at her house in Mercer Island during the last week of August, 1961. She left Honolulu just as soon she had clearance from her doctor to travel with her new baby. He was just 3 weeks old. She had sent a postcard that she would be in town, and was staying with a friend of her mother's. She drove out to my house in her mother's friend's car, and we spent the entire day together. She was very excited about her new life, and her husband. She was nuts about him, crazy in love. I was under the impression that he had left Honolulu before Barack's birth, that he had gone to Harvard already for his studies, and that Ann was on her way to join him there. She planned on raising her son, getting a job, and attending school, she told me. Her husband would head back to Kenya after graduating from Harvard to join the newly formed government, and she would take her place beside him. It was all very exciting, a dramatic change in her life in the one year since she had graduated from high school.
This is Mary Toutonghi's account from Anna's time on Seattle's Capitol Hill. (this link sheds no light on the post card matter)
It is difficult to keep the myriad of details straight in all this, but I seem to remember a mention of the post card sent by Ann from a ship in one of the other interviews with this woman, the one in which she hung up on the investigator. It is possible that what we are remembering is her mentioning the post card and then an FR poster conjecturing that it might have been sent from a ship.
NOTE: It is interesting how many outside or off site links on the ObamaFile pages now go to something different. A newspaper link now shows a page of classified ads; a missionary web site with an anecdotal from Obama's early years - the whole site is gone - just 2 examples. Busy Obots.
Congress has indeed made laws that define and explicate Citizen-At-Birth status
So, let’s take a look at these laws, to determine whether they’re:
A) Unconstitutional due to Congressional overreach, beyond express limitation to naturalization by the Constitution itself, or:
B) Only dealing with naturalization, and therefore not natural born, which is therefore correct per the power enumerated to Congress by the Constitution itself.
You keep banging your head on this, but if what you repeatedly insist is so, it’s either unconstitutional or the law only deals with naturalization. Take your pick. It can be no other way, jamese777.
The public law “Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part 2, § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth” has been on the books for decades and its never been challenged as unconstitutional.
The issue is indeed “another way” and I’m not “banging my head” at all!
That other way is that Article Two, Section One, Clause Five of the Constitution plus the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution plus the Public Law that defines the term “citizen at birth” all have the exact same meaning: someone born in the US.
I believe that to be why Barack Hussein Obama II is the duly elected and sworn in 44th President of the United States today. Remember that when Vice President Cheney certified the vote of the Electoral College, all it took was any two members of Congress (one senator and one representative) out of 535 to object to the vote being certified and an investigation would have had to be held by Congress of the objection. Not one member of Congress objected. There’s a reason for that.
The way to get rid of Obama is to defeat him at the polls in 2012.
Not one member of Congress objected. There’s a reason for that.
Yeah we know the reason they are all weasels.
It does when you keep seeking statutory law to justify it, jamese777. Congress has no authority over anything but naturalization. There are limitations to Amendment per Marbury v. Madison that prevent the 14th Amendment from having done what you insist, as well.
The original intent of the Founders, for the meaning of natural born citizen stands unchanged and unamended as a result.
If you want to argue that original intent was not two citizen parents and born of the soil, then I suggest you familiarize yourself with Blackstone and English common law. There are many problems with taking this tack, but many purported Constitutional "scholars" have done so, so you would have company.
That's the only way you can have a hope of arriving, acceptably, at your seemingly predetermined outcome.
E. The Canadian Press wrote an article about how information was being suppressed way back to before the election because talking heads had been threatened if they mentioned the BC. They said they had documentation/proof. They promised more information would soon be released. Radio broadcast named networks and said Bush had cooperated. Traced much to Soros and Company (including BO)
hoosiermama - I missed the above, would you please explain?
I put mangos in a blender with vodka -— damn their good.
Since I hardly expect you to spend 3 hours listening to the Laurie Roth show out of Washington State, and I did; I’ll give you the benefit of some of my notes.
The show is an interview of Doup Hagman (Private Eye, licensed in 33 states) and Judi McLeod (Editor, Canada Free Press) on their investigation behind their story published earlier this week that multiple major TV and Radio networks and anchors have been threatened by the Obama Administration on the loss of their licenses and more if they MENTION the Birth Certificate controversy on air. Furthermore they were given a list of terms they could use skirting and skewing the topic if it is brought up by a guest. Doug and Judi have original, signed affidavits, meeting notes, etc. secreted in several places, both inside and outside the country backing their claims.
What was the bombshell? Names of the Networks. Further details of the plans, etc.
Fox News, NBC, CBS, CNN and 2 large radio networks that Doug refused to name. Threats were professional and personal and implied bodily harm against family. The White House operates an Internet War Room of paid and unpaid posters that have infiltrated both left and right discussion websites — FreeRepublic and Daily Kos were mentioned. The purpose of this network is specifically to marginalize the legitimacy of the birth issues. The message is DO NOT QUESTION THIS PRESIDENT! (or his birth certificate, oaths of allegience, passport info, college records and activities, legal licensing in IL, etc.)
Some of the people at the highest level involved in this news blackout include George Soros, Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod and even members of the Bush Admin who colluded with the Obama camp during the transition to make these questions go away. THey also mentioned someone named Maury (?) Strong who conspired with Soros and vowed in 2004 (?) to bring the US auto industry down. Strong and Soros are behind the import of Chinese vehicles.
At the end of the show, Philip Berg called in and announced that he still has 3 lawsuits pending aimed at forcing Obama to reveal his birth certificate. One of them names Barry Soetoro and involves false claims. It claims that Barry Soetoro is an illegal alien and wants to force him to return back salary and benefits accorded him when he falsely took the position of State Senator from IL. It also accuses the Whitehose of having a conflict of interest with Eric Holder dating back a number of years. That is at the very end of Hour #3 if you want to skip ahead and get the actual words. Get the popcorn. This will be interesting to watch.
Your eyes are good enough to read all this....Printed it off and am looking at it.
nah just pdf and pushed it to 200% or so
Yes, I remember that post. I misread the entry in your outline re “Bush” - you meant the reference to hold over Bush admin people NOT POTUS Bush while he was still in office. Thanks for the reply.
I wouldn't have a clue as to where to start. Don't we have FReepers in Hawaii that could help us out? We used to have a way to look at State lists on this site, but I haven't done that in years. Don't know if it is still possible. Am at work right now, I'll get back to you after I'm home.
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