Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Not sure about the rules on that.
What is the country of birth if it takes place on the “open” ocean (i.e, outside the 12-mile limit)?
Is it based upon ship registry, destination, departure, closest country at time of birth, based upon parent(s) citizenship, etc?
Morning Fred, Do we know which companies were buying spices and going into port? That might give us a clue.
Ghana was, as best as I know, the first independant african nation to have its own shipping line. Yes, it was cloves out of the East, and cocoa out of the West.
Scroll down for list of cargo ships, BLACK STAR LINE
http://www.timetableimages.com/maritime/images/1971.htm
Afram River
Bia River
Birim River
Korle Lagoon
Kulpawn River
Lake Bosomtwe
Nasia River
Offin River
Oti River
Otchi River
Pra River
Sakumo Lagoon
Benya River
PORTS OF CALL
London or Liverpool, Continental ports, Dunkirk, Freetown, Tema/Takoradi, Lagos (Apapa), Port Harcourt
TEMA IS GHANA
Jump on the Afram River at a port on the US side of the Great Lakes, head out through the Seaway, across the Atlantic to Ghana. Bon Voyage!
pssst....post-card from a ship was January/February, 1961 remember...
she wasn’t coming back, she was going going going...IMO
THE PORT OF MOMBASA can trace its history back many centuries to a time when dhows called at the Old Port on the north side of Mombasa Island.
As a result,a new port was created at Kilindini Harbour in 1896
Two more berths were built in 1944 to cope with a sudden increase in shipping and traffic as a result of Britain’s wartime naval requirements in the Indian Ocean. Berth No 6 was omitted due to unfavourable foundation conditions. A second lighterage wharf was built in 1954 with eight head jetties. Two deepwater berths – also on the island – were added in 1955 and 1958.As the level of cargo and ship traffic continued to rise,the port was obliged to expand to the mainland at Kipevu where berths Nos 11 and 12 were completed in 1961.The Kipevu Oil Terminal was built in 1963 to serve the East Africa Oil Refinery. Two more berths were completed in 1967.
Kenya gained independence in 1963 while her East African neighbours,Tanzania and Uganda,became independent in 1961 and 1962 respectively. In 1967 the three countries joined forces to set up the East African Community (EAC). They also created a new authority,the East African Harbour Corporation,to run the principal ports of Dar es Salaam,Mombasa and the oil port of Tanga. There was positive development under this new organisation,but with the collapse of the EAC in 1977,the running of Kenya’s ports was taken over by the national government,which established the Kenya Ports Authority (KPA) in 1978.KPA was enlarged in 1986 when it merged with the autonomous state organisation Kenya Cargo Handling Ltd to form a single body responsible for all aspects of national port development and operations.
Here’s my latest thoughts...over the past few days...If you have any additions let me know.
The heat may pop the corn.
Thoughts:
Contributions from: BP2; Pissant; Shield ; Unspun
RE in which the BO administration is investigating the CIA: They forgot their own rule (don’t go after institutions):
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
OTOH Here are my thoughts with this article added. I’ve been trying to make sense of it all for a couple of days: (any contribution is appreciated)
THOUGHTS::
A. BO is scrubbing documents.
B. BO cannot be certain that he has scrubbed EVERY document: every copy of his BC etc etc etc. (AND there is No doubt that he has tried. He’s hiding something)
C. Who’s to say that the FBI/CIA/Interpol isn’t involved in this?
1. Bush cooperated (See Canadian recent news or radio program) maybe at their requests.
2. Bill Clinton recently visits CIA (takes trip to Korea—Freepers notice BO body language is negative and WJC return with girls.
D. Pissant downloaded a large number of articles re: the BC right before the “fake one” came out. (Remember thinking when there’s a lot of flack, we’re over the target: Something was going to happen and it did.) Timing suspect.
1. Orley document asked to be authenticated and others created that were soon proven false.
2. Orley’s website compromised (Soro’s son on Google board)
a. A web-obot said he created Orley’s document.
b. BP2 shows how pictures of web-obot are not like Orley’s (Maiden/ stain)
E. The Canadian Press wrote an article about how information was being suppressed way back to before the election because talking heads had been threatened if they mentioned the BC. They said they had documentation/proof. They promised more information would soon be released. Radio broadcast named networks and said Bush had cooperated. Traced much to Soros and Company (including BO)
1. If false information it looks like bait to me...Come and get it the guys in Red have the place covered)
2. If true Obama is desperate (and dangerous and crazily deceitful)
3. Net works named have remained quiet and have not responded to the Canadian “news”
4. Dobbs is reporting on BC. Making it an question of openness.
F. Neither D or E could have been accomplished by some kid in his parents basement (Forgery yes but coordinating all those media outlets, NO. Particularly because they were each different: not from talking points)
G. Bo would have that power. He would have no reason of knowing if a document given to Orley was authentic or not, unless he/his minions faked it himself.
1: If he thought there was any possibility it was authentic, he’d be searching just like us.
2: He’d try to destroy it and Orly if he thought it was real. Act immediately.
3: IF he faked it himself, he’d wait until Orly was actually in court to expose her.....Let the authenticators expose her.
(What happened?...You chose)
H . If he didn’t know it was authentic and HE didn’t set it up; than the only others with the power would be the CIA, FBI etc. They could be setting up a “sting” operation with the Canadian news as bait or Orley’s BC as bait or both...Goal is more than exposing then BO’s BC, Something bigger...much bigger.
1: What purpose would BO have in attacking the CIA (He’s not going after Bush)
a. Nanzi tried to “ridicule their work”
b. Holden is Minimilizing them.
c. Rats in congress have criticized them.
Are they attempting to use step twelve against the CIA?
Risky for him unless:
He can turn it around on them and say they are getting back at him when their information is released?
OR:
I. Are foreign powers (investigators) involved?
a. Isreal? Has he been retaliating for their involvement?
b. Great Britain? It would explain the snub of the queen.
c. Hillary seems to attack BO ‘s cousins (that he campaigned for) in her visit to Kenya
d. Bill Clinton recently visit CIA/Penneta
J. Various names, addresses and social security number have been linked to BO.
Too many to list and too varied to be normal
a. People with numerous names and social security numbers fall into three categories: 1. Criminals 2. covert operatives of governments
K. Obama’s numbers are dropping.
1. He’s call his thugs out
2. He attacks police (uses race card)
3. Globe article is targeting his constitutes.
So, O sr was in Hawaii when registering O's birth in Kenya. So O sr did travel to Hawaii with Dunham, but how did the Kenyan BC get the Aug 5 date?
Was the Hawaiian BC filed the same time the Kenyan BC was? That Aug 9 date.
Barack's life details are too complicated for him to even be a paper boy for the WH.
Mombassa port was originally used in the 1500 by the Portugese....then the Dutch and then English....finally on their own.
It was part of the original Spice routes because of it’s natural deep harbour.
FOrgot to add to the last part:
Obama’s numbers are falling faster then Clinton’s pants.
Folks I’m beat....See you later today ...almost 2 AM here.
I hear ya. I’m trying to figure out if Susan Blake was lying or not about her time with Ann in late-Aug 61 ... or if Ann attended ANY classes that first semester at Univ of Wash in late-61.
"BO body language is negative" -- what does this mean?
"K.3. Globe article is targeting his constitutes."
I bought and read this issue of the Globe and read the article. I am heartened to say that I am seeing this issue prominently displayed in news racks in local drugstores and grocery stores: no one is hiding it behind anything else.
The Globe's article emphasizes a Canadian birthplace.
The only constitutional requirements for eligibility to be president are birth within the United States, being age 35 or above and having 14 years residence in the United States.
You know perfectly well that is *NOT* what the Constitution says. You may be of the opinion that it’s what it means, but that’s what it is, your opinion.
From the article, it gets even more confusing. Evidently, the Brits had leased the strip and paid the lease monies to the Sultan of Zanzibar.
As I said, it is very possible that there could be three birth records from that strip.
It was OWNED by Zanzibar.
It was a Brit protectorate leased from Zanzibar.
It became part of the Kenyan government when they were granted independence in 1963.
In either case, there would be a British record. That doesn’t negate the fact that others might exist.
*Note: The cached page is different from the current page. This is the link to the cached page of Encyclopedia.com.
In 1920, the territory was renamed and its administration changed; the interior became Kenya Colony and a coastal strip (10 mi/16 km wide) was constituted the Protectorate of Kenya. From the 1920s to the 40s, European settlers controlled the government and owned extensive farmlands; Indians maintained small trade establishments and were lower-level government employees; and Africans grew cash crops such as coffee and cotton on a small scale, were subsistence farmers, or were laborers in the towns (especially Nairobi).
In the 1920s, Africans began to protest their inferior status. Protest reached a peak between 1952 and 1956 with the so-called Mau Mau Emergency, a complex armed revolt led by the Kikuyu, which was in part a rebellion against British rule and in part an attempt to reestablish traditional land rights and ways of governance. The British declared a state of emergency and imprisoned many of the colony’s nationalist leaders, including Jomo Kenyatta . After the revolt, Britain increased African representation in the colony’s legislative council until, in 1961, there was an African majority.
Modern Kenya
On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya (including both the colony and the protectorate) became independent. In 1964 the country became a republic, with Kenyatta as president. The first decade of independence was characterized by disputes among ethnic groups (especially between the Kikuyu and the Luo)
That’s the PORTS - now you need to find the SHIPS that went in and out...which country had a shipping line, which cargo ships offered berths to passengers? Which of those ships that offered passenger berths, could be boarded from the mainland US?
There are connections on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278969/posts
See #97
And you think that means anything? The issue only arises in conjunction with eligibility to the office of President, per Article II section 1 of the Constitution. BHO is paying big bucks, or his PAC is, to ensure that no court ever address that issue.
Legal Adult is not the same for all purposes, AFAIK, it was still 21 for renouncing your citizenship. But he did not need to renounce any Indonesian or Kenyan or British citizenship in order to retain his US Citizenship, assuming he had it to begin with, or was naturalized along the way somewhere. Same, without the naturalization obviously, with Natural born citizenship.
Basically US law does not care what other countries might think on the issue. However traveling on a foreign passport, when entering the US, after whatever the "renunciation age" was at the time, is one method of renunciation.
‘Anna Obama’ is listed in the Polk Directory 1961/62.
‘Obama. Stanley Ann Dunham’ is on the University course attendance card.
‘Ms Stanley Ann Dunham’ is the name on the letter received through FOI - from the University with dates of ‘attendance’ - where-as the card shows ‘extension courses’
Each one contradicts the other to a certain extent.
Why?
Why is it that everything to do with her, is such a mess?
Might it be that she NEEDED to make it appear she was living at a certain address to someone or some people who KNEW of her as Anna Obama?
Might it be that she enrolled as Stanley Ann Dunham because she had to identify herself when she enrolled?
Might it be that the OBAMA was added to the enrollment AFTER SHE TOOK THE NAME?
Might it be that she was NOT on the mainland?
Might it be that someone helpful, who understood her need to be SHOWN as living on the mainland, whilst she was elsewhere...collected the course work for her, mailed it to her...and if necessary, handed it in when completed?
All I am trying to do is show how it’s possible to LOOK as if you are in one place whilst NOT even being in the COUNTRY!
Or evidence of naturalization, or of foreign birth.
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