Suborned in the U.S.A. - The BC controversy is about Obama’s honesty, not where he was born

Nationnal Review ^ | By Andrew C. McCarthy

[Cicero]

Obama is stalling and stalling until he can get that forgery in place

One story I've seen is that his agents have already forged a birth certificate, and they are just waiting until it has been properly "aged," with ultraviolet light and moisture. No way to know if that's true or not, but given his background, the kind of people he associates with, his connection with the Chicago Mob, and his constant habit of lying, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

No way to confirm such a story, of course. But it's one more little straw to file away for future reference.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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In honor of your namesake, El Cid:

During the 1960’s I recall very common conversations between women customers shipping their autos to Hawaii. ( http://www.Matson.com )

Women reminding each other to file for Honolulu Birth Certificates on their babies they had just given birth to outside of Hawaii.

Some conversations included their filing on babies born outside the United States as well. “Yeah, go ahead and do it anyway” was a remark I heard more than once at the time..!!!

Commom practice, for years, after Hawaii’s becoming a State.

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Signed: An in-person Witness

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[ChildOfThe60s]

Maybe because Hillary got the SOT position?

Just doesn't seem like a big enough carrot to me. I was willing to bet Hillary would throw her mother in a shark tank to be Prez.

And Hussein has plenty of weaknesses that she failed to capitalize on. It was like she just lost the old Hillary "cut off their stones" killer instinct. Very out of character.

[Eagles6]

Dang it! Can't remember if it's federal or state of Hawaii law regarding transfer of citizenship to the offspring if only one parent is an American citizen. It's been brought up much and was one of the suits dismissed. Have it somewhere on my 'puter but can't find it.

The citizen parent must have lived in the US for at least 10 years, at least 5 after the age of 14. "zero's" mother didn't qualify to transfer citizenship to him.

Someone help me here please.

[ckilmer]

Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a third Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. Nor does Obama's mother disagree with this narrative in Dreams of My Father pg 81. She does not say that she was married to O's father at the time of his birth.

British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents.

Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.

here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth,"

[mojitojoe]

[mojitojoe]

Fabulous article. I learned a couple of new things and it’s put together very nicely. I want to know who was the man from South America that sent Barry to stay with that man in Pakistan? I also had never seen the clip of him bowling. WTH? What adult throws gutter balls. The times I’ve gone bowling, which is few and far between, I could at least stay out of the gutter. That is hilarious. Thank you for posting this.

[1_Rain_Drop]

read when awake... uh... more alert

[NoCmpromiz]

To whose birth does the immaculate conception refer?

The immaculate conception refers to a teaching of the Roman Church that Mary was conceived without original sin...

Betcha you didn't think a protestant would know that, did ya?

[NoCmpromiz]

It was like she just lost the old Hillary "cut off their stones" killer instinct. Very out of character.

Maybe the Obamination and his ChiTown hoods have the book on her...

[Delacon]

Well considering that I too am a protestant... Of course you know a lot of people think that if refers to the birth of Christ. Immaculate conception. Virgin birth. Easy to see the confusion.

[mojitojoe]

Ping to #57 & 62

[MHGinTN]

The money behind the democrap party told here to shut up and win without exposing the affirmative action liar, because if she exposed him she would run blacks and ACORN fraudworkers away from the polls and bring about a GOP landslide in House and Senate, not just the White HOuse.

[Sola Veritas]

“Was Rev. Wright’s church Baptist?”

I hope not, but I wouldn’t be surprised. The term “Baptist” is pretty meaningless anymore. That is why I said I am “Southern Baptist.” Except for a few bad eggs, we are a pretty conservative lot.

[LucyT]

Ping to #62

Check out #57, too.

Thanks, mojitojoe, and thanks to ALOHA RONNIE for his comments.

[Fred Nerks]

you mean like this?

[Delacon]

Acts 11:26 (New International Version)
26and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2011:26;&version=31;

 

Side note. Jesus was never called that in his lifetime. He was called Joshua. Or that is as close as we can get.

 

"Jesus" (pronounced /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a transliteration, occurring in a number of languages and based on the Latin Iesus, of the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iēsoûs), itself a Hellenisation of the Hebrew יהושע (Yehoshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic ישוע (Yeshua, Joshua), meaning "Yahweh rescues" or "Yahweh delivers".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Etymology

[Cboldt]

-- He does such a great job of laying out the FACTS that I then sent it to many in out outlook. --

I have an issue with one of his arguments, and also note that he has made some corrections. Corrections first.

I thought I had already gone on way too long to get into another technical legal issue, but I should have been more precise. As I understand it, Obama's "Kenyan" citizenship (which really is the Brit-lite citizenship you are talking about) is a result of Britain's Nationality Act of 1948. Technically speaking, Barack Obama Sr. was a British overseas subject resident of what was then the Kenyan protectorate, which status passed automatically (by operation of Kenyan law) into Kenyan citizenship when Kenya became independent in late 1963. If one in this situation is deemed a Brit/Kenyan citizen automatically because his father is a Kenyan, the (now) Kenyan citizenship lapses unless one does something affirmative to claim it. I am no expert in this area, but that's what I think the law is.

07/30 03:24 PM

Oh, and also an application note - or as I see it, "Congress is derelict"

Kevin doesn't think it's "morally or politically meaningful" that Obama was born a citizen of the emerging country in whose election (out of all the countries in the world) he shamefully injected himself in 2006, taking the side of a Marxist from his father's Luo tribe — a Marxist who happens to be the son of Kenya's first vice-president, the guy who formed the political party that gave Obama's father the opportunity that landed him in America and resulted in Obama's being born.

I obviously disagree. Even if I didn't, whether it's "morally or politically meaningful," there clearly are potential legal consequences inherent in the circumstance of dual citizenship. It would be incompetent to discuss presidential eligibility under Article II without addressing it [the dual citizenship].

07/30 02:50 PM

So Congress gives a complete pass on the admitted dual citizenship point.

My complaint or issue with McCarthy's argument? Here's his argument, it boils down to "Hillary didn't complain, so he must qualify." Obviously, he makes a different point later, that failing to address the fact of dual citizenship represents incompetence.

Even Obama's dual Kenyan citizenship is of dubious materiality: It is a function of foreign law, involving no action on his part (to think otherwise, you'd have to conclude that if Yemen passed a law tomorrow saying, "All Americans - except, of course, Jews - are hereby awarded Yemeni citizenship," only Jewish Americans could henceforth run for president). In any event, even if you were of a mind to indulge the Kenyan-birth fantasy, stop, count to ten, and think: Hillary Clinton. Is there any chance on God's green earth that, if Obama were not qualified to be president, the Clinton machine would have failed to get that information out?

Helloooo, Andy. Birthright citizenship is always obtained with no action on the part of the infant, and always with reference to the laws of the involved countries. If the laws of more than one country are involved, there is some risk, at law, of mixed birthright citizenship. This does not bear "personally" on the infant, it is an accident of birth. But even as an accident of birth, it must be dealt with. And what up with creating that straw-man of Yemen law?

[Cboldt]

-- ever since we drifted away from faith and toward humanism and allowed our children to be brainwashed into socialism, all this was inevitable. --

It's the natural human condition, and no country, no civilization, is immune from demise.

You are on the right track with the cure, but you should be satisfied to have the cure work on a small scale. There is no way any one of us, or any family, or even any community, can fix the country.

[Cboldt]

-- Someone help me here please. --

Federal law, 8 USC 1401.

That's pertinent to the "citizen or not" question, if he was born out of the US.

But even if he was born in the US, McCarthy points out a non-trivial legal question, as to eligibility.