Posted on 08/01/2009 4:15:36 AM PDT by nathanbedford
Please explain.
There was a theory some time ago that BHO's mother and her parents and he himself might have been involved in money transfers on behalf of a foreign interest. It included the allegation that his mother might be alive and living in NYC.
I don't have a source.
BO, the international man of mystery, and he fully intends to keep it that way.
Everything she has stated has been based on “vital records”. Records that Obama **himself** may have filed.
Hawaiian officials are deliberately and carefully obfuscating.
“39 Social Security Numbers”
It was introduced as discoverable evidence (I think that is the correct term) by Dr. Orly Taitz in a court filing. She had done the background leading up to the filing. I believe it is the case Alan Keyes is part of.
I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
Those policies and procedures say the birthers would be to accept the Kenyan birth certificate and issue a certificate of live birth showing birth in Hawaii. Now Doctor Fukino explicitly states that Obama was born in Hawaii and that fact is recorded in the "vital records":
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you. You stated that the birther position was that Hawaii would accept the Kenyan birth certificate and then issue a certificate of live birth showing birth in Hawaii, so long as his mother averred that she was a resident of Hawaii for one year preceding the birth. Nonsense. The only person I have ever heard advance that position is you. I have never heard anyone else advance the idea that Hawaii would take a certificate saying that Obama was born in Kenya and turn around and issue a certificate saying he was born in Hawaii. That would be perjury. Where did you come up with that idea? The laws on the books at the time were that the mother (or even grandmother) could state, under oath, that baby Barak was born in Hawaii, and the state would accept this and issue a birth certificate to that effect. As far as I am concerned, that is still the case.
The doctor stated that she has "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii". My translation of this is that she has seen the affidavits from mommy and/or granny stating the Obama was born in Hawaii. As far as these record "verifying" his place of birth, well let's see, what does Encarta say about the word "verify"? Encarta: swear something under oath law in law, to swear or affirm under oath that something is true. The only thing that I am reading in her statements is that she has seen the original affidavit from mommy and/or grandmommy stating the Obami was born in Hawaii. That's still not proof. Fukino has stated that she has seen the original birth certificate on file. Which original? The one that they issued? So let's she, she has stated that she has seen the original affidavits that mommy/granny signed, and has seen the original birth certificate that was produced by them. As far as I am concerned her statements still sum up to nothing.
Has the hospital where he was born produced any independent records of his birth? Have they found the doctor or nurse? Now that Fukino has "put the matter to rest", Obama now has absolutely positively no reason not to release the long form. Yet he has not. Sorry, but until I see the long form, with signatures, that match up with hospital records, and said long form is vetted by the Governor (i.e. it matches up with the copy she has squirreled away), as far as I am concerned, there is no proof.
You did write a nice article, but it was all based on your position that Hawaii traded a "born in Kenya" document for a "born in Hawaii" document. (A position that you then tried to attribute to us.) Still absurd.
P.S. You mention the full version YouTube audio where Kenyan Granny reversed herself. I have also heard the audio of the radio interview with the Kenyan ambassador. In it, he stated that there is a shrine to Obamas birthplace in Kenya, they are quite proud of it, and that Obamas Kenyan birth is common knowledge. My my my, who to believe?
P.S.S. I've never owned any Confederate money, and I've never tried to print my own.
PS: You are my new Common Tator. I miss him.
d-o, this article is all fine and good but for two things. First, the bc isn’t going to be produced because this controversy is making all of conservativism look like a movement of deluded loons. Of far greater concern is the fact that the birther movement, even here on FR, has turned into a movement of anti-military seditionists who are actively encouraging mutiny in the armed forces in time of war. There are active duty personnel, master and senior chiefs, at the base near my office who think Free Republic has turned into a nihilist site because of the bandwidth this bc nonsense has been given here.
Very well stated.
I’m past the issue of the location of his birth. The existing evidence says he was born in Hawaii, and that he meets the ‘natural born citizen’ criteria.
BUT, it is still very odd that he would spend so much money to conceal his long form BC, and in fact would conceal all pertinent documents, from college records to medical records.
Pure and simple, he is hiding something.
Things that are produced by job applicators for lesser jobs, everyday o the week.
I have said all along that my suspicions are not that the original long form birth certificate will show that Obama was born someplace else -- rather that there's something else he's trying to hide.
It could be that the long form is not his original BC but an "amended" BC stemming from his adoption by Soetoro. It could be an original BC that shows no father or identifies him as illegitimate. It could show his race as "White". There are all sorts of possibilities.
Those possibilities probably extend into his other records (my money's on his having claimed Indonesian citizenship in order to get some sort of foreign student advantage, whether in reduced admission requirements or financial aid). That's why in my opinion he's had to try to hide his entire past. It just won't bear close examination.
What puzzles me is why he's been allowed to do this. He is the MOST cryptic candidate we've ever had for just about any major office.
WOW..what an articulate post!!!!!
Did you read the post? All of it?
Because the point being made is that the breaking out of the story into the MSM may be a precursor to some actual digging into the rest of Obama’s murky past on the part of the amazingly uncourious ususal suspects.
At least, that’s what I took away from it.
Depending on outside sources, particularly political parties, amounts to malfeasance. Official in each state must personally review, and examine, official documents, NOT internet facsimiles, before placing a name on the ballot. Failure to do may result in voters being disenfranchised if they cast their votes for an unqualified candidate.
As one who is sworn to defend The Constitution, I have been labeled a "Birther" (I've been called much worse) because I believe that all provisions should be upheld. I therefore will not let this issue rest, until the numerous questions concerning 0bama's citizenship are answered. I firmly believe that the available evidence points to the conclusion that he is a usurper, and not legally President or Commander in Chief. Prior to the election in 2012, each state must take action to ensure that candidates listed on their ballot meet the qualifications under the Constitution.
If Hawii became a State on August 21, 1959 and Obama was born on August 4,1961 which should exclude him from being considered a citizen.
Lets hope the media doesn't also make mad those they want to destroy. Obama has an nuclear arsenal at his finger tips. The media is as you say “a tribal culture” with taboos and the expiation of white man's guilt by a black dictator may not be what they had in mind — they're not that African tribal — in the end. They will hold his toes to the communal fire, roast him a bit and get him to account... and then maybe destroy him. We'll see. What we may not see is the full vetting of Obama, his past laid out. I doubt if the media is that strong to have Obama reveal everything. The transparency would destroy him — at least his hold on the American public with the mystery, the psychological projection screen gone for good.
I'm sure this is not going away. It might as you say lead to Obama's downfall. With those inauguration Greek pillars we may see a Greek tragedy unfold in the end. Again, great work!
Excellent Saturday morning coffee read...thanks!
39 Social Secuity Numbers...how is that possible. Have you seen it? It this the same as 57 states in the United States?
ACCURATE
Concise and very well presented but I vehemently object to lumping all birthers into one.
[Obama] is a Manchurian Marxist bent on the radicalization of America or worse
Yes he is. Obama earned that singularity because as you say, he is a mountebank; otherwise..
I remember the 1960s and I am wont to say that Obama is an ideological issue (child) of the 1960s Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble. Now the Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party)
(That ain't name calling. The Sixties Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble really have taken over the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party. Under the hail of "neo-con" taunts many Democrats fled the Party.)
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