I understand why you argue so vociferously in defense of Obama’s eligibility. You honestly don’t know the definition of the word “evidence”.
Proceeding from that basic mis-understood, it’s easy to see why you feel that this case is closed.
Obama’s original long form birth certificate is the root document that will prove, or disprove his claim of US citizenship. Statements by government bureaucrats attesting to having seen that document are not in themselves, evidence. Only the document itself is actual evidence.
You can argue all you like that the jpeg image of his alleged COLB is “evidence” of his US citizenship, but it is only a short form abstract that doesn’t measure up to the legal requirements for hard evidence.
First of all, if it’s so real and indisputable, he should have had it inspected by competent, expert document examiners from the moment he produced it. Instead, what we have is the “word” of a select few individuals from a proven Obama ally organization who “swear” that what they inspected and photographed is the real thing.
If you accept that, then your standard for evidence is sub-standard. FactCheck.org is in no way qualified to make judgments on what they saw, and the photographs they took only add to the suspicion of fraud because they clearly don’t match the jpeg image of the COLB that is reported to be one and the same document.
Everything presented by the anti-birther side thus far has failed to meet the legal standard of solid evidence, yet they persist in trying to convince the rest of the public that it does.
Understand this. Whether you accept this sub-standard “evidence” or not, is immaterial to the controversy at large. It will not go away because some people are easily duped, and are willing to go on the warpath to defend Obama.
The number of people who are seeing the obvious inconsistencies and transparent obfuscation from the Obama camp is growing. This thing is gaining traction and getting bigger and bigger because of everything I’ve told you.
Whether you like it or not, a growing number of Americans will continue to demand that Obama put an end to this by releasing his personal documents. He will eventually either come clean with the public, or he will resign because of the pressure against him to do so. That is the ultimate outcome of this controversy, and nothing can stop it.
“You can argue all you like that the jpeg image of his alleged COLB is “evidence” of his US citizenship, but it is only a short form abstract that doesn’t measure up to the legal requirements for hard evidence.”
1) It’s not a jpeg but a photograph of an actual paper document with state of hawaii stamp and raised seal.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
2) The COLB DOES measure up to legal requirements for birth certification for passports, drivers licenses etc.
I dont know why birther repeat this junk baloney, people are using the COLB to get passports *every day*.
“First of all, if it’s so real and indisputable, he should have had it inspected by competent, expert document examiners from the moment he produced it.”
Fair enough. But why doesnt WND reporter ask Gibbs for the COLB? Then there is nothing for state of hawaii to do?
” Instead, what we have is the “word” of a select few individuals from a proven Obama ally organization who “swear” that what they inspected and photographed is the real thing.”
We dont have their word, we have photographs.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_7.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_8.jpg
“If you accept that, then your standard for evidence is sub-standard. FactCheck.org is in no way qualified to make judgments on what they saw, and the photographs they took only add to the suspicion of fraud”
oh puleeeeze ... they took photographs, its bizarre to fall into that conspiracy mindset trap, where evidence you dont like is ‘fraud’.
” because they clearly don’t match the jpeg image of the COLB that is reported to be one and the same document.”
Not true.
“Everything presented by the anti-birther side thus far has failed to meet the legal standard of solid evidence”
Not true. Everything presented by the birther side thus far has failed to meet the legal standard of solid evidence.
heard not a shred of evidence for Obama being born anywhere else but Hawaii. Yet the COLB *would* hold up in a court of law unless you got a forensic expert to prove it was a forgery. The state of Hawaii officials statement would be admissible, she would be someone in a position to testify. And the Honolulu newspaper announcement would also be admissible evidence.
“Understand this. Whether you accept this sub-standard “evidence” or not”
Why the scare quotes. it’s evidence not ‘evidence’.
“, is immaterial to the controversy at large.”
Then why are you up in arms about it? Obama was born in Hawaii, that’s pretty clear. Why fight against the logical conclusion of multiple pieces of evidence if its not even determinative of anything?
” This thing is gaining traction and getting bigger and bigger because of everything I’ve told you.”
- It’s getting bigger because Obama and the liberal MSM wanted a distraction. Its not getting more traction.
“Whether you like it or not, a growing number of Americans will continue to demand that Obama put an end to this by releasing his personal documents.”
I am all for getting more documents out of Obama, but that doesnt mean he wasnt born in Hawaii. There is more evidence for Obama being born in Hawaii than ever before.
“He will eventually either come clean with the public, or he will resign because of the pressure against him to do so.”
That’s a crack-pipe-dream.
