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We have been barking up the wrong tree

Posted on 07/29/2009 4:29:49 AM PDT by cycle of discernment

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To: cycle of discernment

I’m sure that if Obama is forced to produce his birth certificate and it shows that he was not born in Hawaii, he will be interested in your theory.


21 posted on 07/29/2009 5:36:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: cycle of discernment
The point is if Obama filed under an alias, he is illiegal.

A simple DNA test comparing him to his supposed half brother, sister, or what ever should easily tell. Good luck to us on that!

22 posted on 07/29/2009 5:39:33 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Moonmad27

Both ( exposing Obama while continuing to oppose his policies—which is gaining traction) can happen in concert it seems to me.


23 posted on 07/29/2009 5:39:36 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: Moonmad27
I wish these birthers would get fired up about something effective and not ridiculous - like organizing opposition to his policies.

Don't fall into that liberal trap. You are assuming that we can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

The Birther issue is not subtracting from the total attack on Obama and his policies-it is adding to it. And it is working. Look at the energy that The Left is being required to pour into its anti-birther tirades. That is taking real oxygen out of their tent. People aren't stupid. When Daily Kos starts ranting about something people wonder WHY.

We know who John Galt is. We just want to know who Barak Obama is.

24 posted on 07/29/2009 5:43:21 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: jws3sticks
Here's a fun thing to do if you have a few minutes. Do a Google for "Frank Marshall Davis" and "Frank Marshal Davis".

Mommy has some interesting pictures, too.

25 posted on 07/29/2009 5:45:07 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: cycle of discernment
Then he should be wise enough to at least digest information that has bearing.

In what way does hearsay have bearing to the facts.

He was wise enough to see it for what it is...conjecture, speculation, and opinion. If you think you're wise enough to see that it's more than that, then by all means, point out for all of here, where he offers evidence to support his claims.

26 posted on 07/29/2009 5:53:47 AM PDT by csense
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To: GBA

A “Well, how about that...” ping to self.


27 posted on 07/29/2009 5:56:32 AM PDT by GBA
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To: jws3sticks

Wasn’t Clinton an illegitimate child as well?

What is it with ‘rats and illegit politicians?

Is this where the term ‘rat bastard’ comes from?


28 posted on 07/29/2009 5:59:25 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Uncle Chip
I’m sure that if Obama is forced to produce his birth certificate

OK, Uncle Chip, I'll hold him down and you look under his bed. There's an Indonesian CIGAR BOX THERE WITH THE BIRTH CERTI......OMG!

Chip, there's a hole in the Constitution. There is no mechanism ... no legal process....no way to force the guy to do anything about the Birth Certificate... much less force him to figure out if FMD, The Commie Labor Writer and Pornographer, is the bio-pa. Team Obama is working the legal angles on defense, Team Keyes et al are working their legal angles on offense. The offense is starting on their own goal line. The defense is holding all over the country, forcing turnovers on 1st down. Team Obama has two seemingly insurmountable advantages:
(1) they probably know the absolute truth and
(2) they don't have to prove a damn thing. It's the law.

29 posted on 07/29/2009 6:20:10 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Congratulations Obama Voters! You are not prejudiced. Just unpatriotic. And dumb.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I thought about that too. But if you watch t.v. way way too too much like I do, (CSI-all flavors, Law & Order, la la la) then you know that one can easily get DNA from an unwilling suspect. (Discarded cig, drink can, hair from wherever, etc.)

That scenario is no far fetched if you asked me. But I tend to believe the Kenya thing because of the Grandma thing, plus the fact that it seems to be common knowledge over there that he was born in Kenya. PLUS, now they’re chargin “admission” to see where this imposter was born in Kenya? Please. I don’t know what the answer is, but boy howdy, you can’t suppress the truth forever, whatever that truth is, Obama is hiding something.


30 posted on 07/29/2009 6:20:25 AM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: cycle of discernment
Journalist (LOL) (and attorney) Andy Martin and notorious antisemitic is full of it.
31 posted on 07/29/2009 6:24:28 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MrB

Now that’s funny, I don’t care who you are. Thanks for my first laugh for today.


32 posted on 07/29/2009 6:28:15 AM PDT by 38special (I mean come on.)
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To: SaintDismas
... whatever that truth is, Obama is hiding something.

Not just something, he is hiding everything. No copies of school records, pass ports, travel agendas, etc. All are sealed.

Of interest to me is where he got the money for all his living expenses, travel and schooling. The same was true of Bill Clinton. When he was expelled from Oxford for attempted rape (the unofficial truth) Clinton travelled for months throughout eastern Europe and Russia with no explanation ever offered as to where, why or how.

Both seem to have been groomed for the positions they eventually achieved.

33 posted on 07/29/2009 7:05:17 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: MrB

yes, Clinton is also theson of a fictious and conveniently dead father. Now that he’s lost weight, when you look at him in profile, his resemblance to a prominent family is striking. I’m from NY, and I kept being puzzled by how he could look so much like our former governor. Until I read that the governor’s brother was governer of Ark. when Clinton was born.


34 posted on 07/29/2009 7:40:07 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: cycle of discernment

But also fraudulent of it checks out. All the filing papers to run for office would be invalid legally it seems if obama is shown to be using aliases.

Only if you can prove he knowingly used an alias for fraudulent purposes..Is it his fault if his mom lied to him?


35 posted on 07/29/2009 8:05:58 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Kenny Bunk
there's a hole in the Constitution

No, the natural born citizen clause in the Constitution is a requirement not a hole. That requirement is in the highest law of the land.

When a clause like this is so blatantly violated right in front of our eyes, it emboldens those that have done it to boldly violate any and all others at their convenience, and those who have let this happen will find themselves ruled by the lawless who will subsequently appoint czars, take over corporations, violate rights of bondholders, control their health, take their property, etc in continual contravention of that highest law of the land.

Proverbs has this to say: "They that forsake the law, praise the lawless" [Pr 28:4]

To those who call the natural born citizen requirement a loophole, I say:

"praise away -- the lawless love their useful idiots".

36 posted on 07/29/2009 8:13:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: cycle of discernment
I wonder if the Poem “POP” really isn't about Frank Marshall? Hawaii officials say Obama was born there. Obama spent time with Marshall so Marshall could see his kid. Obama Sr split to get rid of a nutty white broad. Obama hanging around with Marshall, Marshall tells him the truth about “Whose your Dad”, what it was like banging mom Barack, shows ugly pictures of mama. Obama creates a whole fantasy about Barack Obama and buries his past because Marshall is really a jerk. Obama’s moma names Obama Sr. as daddy because she was still married to him.
37 posted on 07/29/2009 9:36:28 AM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: Uncle Chip
No, the natural born citizen clause in the Constitution is a requirement not a hole. That requirement is in the highest law of the land.

You are correct, and I did not mean to trivialize the issue. For that I apologize.

However, The "Natural Born Requirement" is an opening for the unscrupulous of this era, whose machinations the Founding Fathers being human, were unable to foresee. The Founders relied upon contemporary ideas of natural law as handed down to us by English law. So, they did not define "Natural Born Citizen," nor indeed did they even feel they had to. Furthermore, and more important to us in the present quandary, they did not specifically designate any any authority over the requirement.

My own particular efforts are directed at making the documentary evidence of eligibility mandatory by state law. It is the electors of the states who can say who is eligible and who is not, and to cast the state's votes in the Electoral College. If a state has a "Proof of Eligibility Law" they can deny a candidate who refuses proof a place on the ballot in that state and thus, the state's electoral votes. Secondarily, any legal disputes could not be ignored by the Federal Courts.

38 posted on 07/29/2009 11:18:01 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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But Obama has no defense against the ultimate weapon—political pressure—once it reaches a certain critical mass.

Although still on the low part of the curve, each day it’s moving closer towards exponential increase.


39 posted on 07/29/2009 1:55:32 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: cycle of discernment

Paternity fraud doesn’t make ones name invalid, even if you are named “Jr” of a man who is not your biological father.

Around 10% of the population is not born to the person they think is their father. That doesn’t mean that they need new names.


40 posted on 07/29/2009 2:01:18 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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