Posted on 07/28/2009 7:42:01 PM PDT by ckilmer
ping. Excellent!
The recommended booklist on your About Page is impressive.
May I nominate “Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, The Age of Social Catastrophe” by Robert Gellately?
As you may know, the author is a professor of history at Florida State University.
The book seems especially appropriate for our times.
nordyke twins or relatives might have a copy of that paper if indeed they were in it.
www.colony14.net
ping for late nite reading
The problem I have with "birthers" is that most of them are claiming a very broad right to access private information, not in the "tell me or I won't vote for you" sense, which is of course righteous, but in the "break the law and give me the document" sense, which is not righteous, IMO.
It's borderline if the protected information is disqualifying. I think it's a pretty good argument that if a public official KNOWS a candidate is ineligible that the legal protection doesn't apply.
But if the State of Hawaii KNOWS the man calling himself "Barack Obama" is a natural-born citizen, and the State so certifies, I think that's the end of the story.
That he's a communist and a bastard is our problem, not Hawaii's.
There are many errors in the timeline text, so be cautious.
Thank you for the post.
Doesn't seem fair. I'm nobody, yet I've got a real Birth Certificate.
If she wasn’t married then what need for a divorce?
That is irrelevant. If he is an Usurper, he is an Usurper.
The Newspaper announcements are really irrelevant. This article is not stating that his birth wasn’t registered in Hawaii. It is stating that it was likely done under fraudulent circumstances. His family got him a short form certification of live Birth, the articles do not prove any more than that COLB that he was born in Hawaii, only that he got registered there.
Yes, indeed. Thank you very much for your recommendation! I’ll check it out!
Bout a mile off of Seal Beach just south of Long Beach, Kalifornia...but I am from the High Plains (KS) stranded at the Beach.
Ann also gets paid a lot more than we do. She CHOOSES to be where and what she is.
Ann, God bless her, is wrong on this.
Remains to be seen if he’s qualified. What the report does is set the value of any statements coming from the State of Hawaii to zero. There’s only one BC with any probative legal value in establishing where, and to whom, Obama was born, and that’s the Long Form BC, which he calls in there ‘BC1’.
He’s not releasing the cert that he’s got, because what he’s got doesn’t definitively establish where he’s born. The reason why his other records are sealed is because even if he released the BC that he’s got from Hawaii, all it would do is definitively establish doubt as to where he was born. The other documents would establish the fact that he either was or was not a citizen. For example, his travel to Indonesia was done on what passport, and how was that obtained?
His releasing the BC would essentially confirm that there was a question that deserved an answer, which would then lead to other questions like, ‘What about the rest of your life, man? Where are THOSE documents?’
Here’s the thing, releasing the BC he probably does have would be enough to establish reasonable doubt as to his qualification to be CINC. There would be no NCA at that point, and a court could and MAYBE would issue a subpoena for other supporting documents that would dispositively establish his citizenship. This explains why the WH whiffed on the Cook case.
They’ve got concentric legal rings built, like trenches, and the first was ‘standing’. That wall’s been breached. They rescinded Cook’s order - wall number 2. Taitz and others are rounding up active duty member cases which they won’t be able to duck, and that will cause the release of the BC on file with Hawaii, which will be other than a BC1 - wall 3. Prosecution will argue that the BC on file doesn’t prove anything, and will request the court subpoena the rest of Obama’s documentation.
What happens from there, I’m not qualified to comment, but it could range from the claim of ‘executive privilege’ to ‘my dog ate them’.
The establishment of standing in this case is a major league advancement. It’s going to be an interesting fall, what with a plague, possible failure of the dollar, and the President being an imposter in the offing.
Those unreleased (illegally sealed) college records are the kicker.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but he both sucks and blows.
Thanks for the Cliff Note version. Appreciated. Are you sure your “Certificate” shouldn’t be “Certification”?
This statement is a catch 22. It can not be legally proven without the courts.
Then it could turn into much like the impeachment of Clinton where he did brake the law but it wasn't a serious enough crime to remove him from office. I don't know how they could twist it to make someone that can not even qualify to be president to some how qualify.
Who knows maybe that decree the congress set a couple days ago officially makes him a 'citizen' but not a natural born citizen and in heir collective minds this is not strong enough evidence to remove him from office.
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