Posted on 07/28/2009 12:59:57 PM PDT by presidio9
That's also been my wallpaper for about four years now in my office. But, believe it or not, I have never (ever) discussed anything having anything to do with faith in the office. Ever.
Hey Einstein: Did it ever occur to you that some loser/stalker created a "persidiot9" keyword, and I posted this to the moderators when you started your gutless whining about "personal attacks?" This is one of those threads. Anybody here now could have eaisly follwed that keyword. Actions have consequences.
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What would you call visiting thread after thread just to take potshots at another religion? Just being friendly?
What is with this nastiness and personal venom that you put out, and didn’t the moderators already admonish you and clear up your false keyword posts, in fact deleting them?
I don’t do it so I don’t give it a thought.
In case no one ever told you this, whining about non-existent "personal attacks" is what cowards do when they are backed into a corner and they have run out offective points to make. It's part of the DNA of a liberal politician.
Can you tell me what it is that I said which you found so objectionable? Or are you bloviating?
What does this constant personal attack have to do with the subject of this thread, this isn’t the religion forum, this is news activism, I’m sorry that you take the political issue of the American Catholic vote so personally.
As a conservative, the Catholic vote that sustains the democrat party troubles me and I hope that we can do something about it. Have you any suggestions on how we can get Catholics to vote for republican candidates?
Do you even remember what this thread is about, it is about the Catholic vote and the two political parties, one fighting to win the Catholic vote and one fighting to keep it.
And the subject of this thread is irrelevant. You began this argument with me on another thread and then continued it over here. You have a low opinion of Catholics. I get it. It makes you feel like you've won something personally if you can say that members of your own faith are more Conservative than Catholics.
You are falling back on the victim card because you have no valid point to make. Answer my question, and it will all be over: Who is qualified to identify who is and who is not a Catholic?
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Good question. The Vatican?
The Vatican has set down specific qualifications for membership to the Catholic Church. These include, but are not limited to complete acceptance of the Catholic tradition on Christ’s life, death and resurrection, acceptance of all Catholic Dogma and Cannon Law, Baptism, Confirmation, weekly Mass attendance, periodic confessions (and as necessary), etc. Several of these overlap, of course (we confess our sins and profess our faith at every Mass).
The point is, of course, that you are not a Catholic just because you were baptized -no matter how much you think you are. And an MSNBC is certainly not qualified to make that distinction. I’m pretty sure you know all of this, so thanks for the opportunity to repeat it.
You are right that we are not in a religion forum. I posted this thread, and I did not post it there. You are wrong in thinking that this is a question of theological purity. Catholicism is such that a person either pratices the faith or he is not a Catholic. There are good Catholics, and there are bad Catholics. There are also people who think they are Catholic or claim to be, but are not practicing the religion, so they are not Catholic. Not even a little bit. Its an either or proposition. Just like there are no vegetarians who sometimes eat meat.
Meanwhile, you continue to be a broken record. Refusing to answer one question which puts this stupid (perhaps why it appeals to you?) argument to rest. So your response is to post yet anoter MSNBC poll. Ever stop to think why we have all these polls coming from MSNBC? Or why it matters to some of us here that we refute them every time we see them? As time goes by you look more and more like a pro-Obama troll to me. You act like one anyway.
For all of that 54% of Catholics voted for Barack Obama.
By the way that isn’t an MSNBC poll.
“There are lies, damned lies, and statistics”-—Mark Twain
Now, I don’t know if polls are a type of “statistic”, but I do believe that the premise offered here that the “Catholic” vote offered in poll results are not accurate for the very reason that others here have given—that there are practicing Catholics and then there are those who call themselves Catholic when actually they are not.
For that reason, I don’t believe the poll results are factually accurate.
Ignore what you wish when it comes to political knowledge.
The rest of the political world wants to know how the different demographics vote and at some point Republicans are going to have to look into why they do well with Protestant Hispanics and do terribly with Catholic Hispanics for instance.
Some bolder (conservative) Catholics must be interested in the Catholic voters and studying their historical voting pattern for democrats.
At this point I am just going to call that statement a lie as you continue to ignore the question that makes it so.
By the way that isn’t an MSNBC poll.
Source is "National Exit Poll as Reported By MSNBC"
There is no such organization as "National Exit Poll." I like to know the truth, so I did a Google search. It was really quite simple. In other words, this is an MSNBC exit poll. On this one we have two choices. You are either lying or you are stupid. This is a matter of fact, not a "personal attack."
If Catholics voted like white Baptists, all of those states would be solidly Republican, and we would also probably do better in New York and PA as well.
The only point worth discussing is still hanging over this coversation. A person is not a Catholic just becuase he or she thinks she is and tells a pollster so. That's a fact that a million polls won't change. Each one will be just as invalid as the last.
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