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To: RummyChick

The Obamas were married according to the evidence we have so far. Stanley Anne used the surname Obama while she was living in Seattle after Obama was born.

The 14th Amendment doesn’t apply, cos the Miner case whch is after the 14th says the Constitution (including the 14th)doesn’t define Natural Born Citizen.

You seem to be getting your info from junk sources. Keep in mind that the internet is being flooded with misinformation.

Try Leo Donofrio for real expertise. http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens - Emer de Vattel
http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/?action=view&current=VattelsNBC-LawofNations-citizenS.jpg

“Please note that the correct title of Vattel’s Book I, Chapter 19, section 212, is “Of the citizens and naturals”. It is not “Of citizens and natives” as it was originally translated into English. While other translation errors were corrected in reprints, that 1759 translation error was never corrected in reprints. The error was made by translators in London operating under English law, and was mis-translated in error, or was possibly translated to suit their needs to convey a different meaning to Vattel to the English only reader. In French, as a noun, native is rendered as “originaire” or “indigene”, not as “naturel”. For “naturel” to mean native would need to be used as an adjective. In fact when Vattel defines “natural born citizens” in the second sentence of section 212 after defining general or ordinary citizens in the first sentence, you see that he uses the word “indigenes” for natives along with “Les naturels” in that sentence. He used the word “naturels” to emphasize clearly who he was defining as those who were born in the country of two citizens of the country.”

http://www.thebirthers.org/USC/Vattel.html

Also reference to Parents means both of them, and nowhere does it say MARRIED parents. The NBC follows if both Mother and Father were Citizens.


138 posted on 07/28/2009 8:30:49 PM PDT by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Dad, can't be NBC)
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To: plenipotentiary

I wouldn’t go to Donofrio for sources.

I know where to go to read the law. I don’t have to look to Junk Sources.

The Obamas WERE NOT LEGALLY MARRIED IN THE US. THEY COULD NOT BE LEGALLY MARRIED IN THE US.

Really, do you not understand about Bigamy?

Donofrio apparently didn’t have a clue because didn’t he go on about Obama having UK citizenship? He couldn’t have had UK citizenship if born in the US. Do you understand why? No UK citizenship unless Ann went to Kenya and had a customary marriage OR Obama was born in Kenya.
MY source? A UK governmental website AND Kenyan laws dug up from their governmental Website.

TRY IT IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME.

Did Donofrio even understand that Kenya did not recognize a mix of customary marriage and statutory marriage? So Obama was not married to Ann in the eyes of the US Law OR the Kenyan/UK law.

As for the 14th Amendment...I just can’t believe you think that..especially if you are a lawyer. It is ludicrious.

Read Wong.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html


141 posted on 07/28/2009 8:50:50 PM PDT by RummyChick
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