Posted on 07/27/2009 11:42:36 AM PDT by Jbny
It has become fashionable once again to proclaim Americas decline. Books herald a post-American world and the end of the American era. The question is no longer whether America is Rome, but how best to manage our inevitable fall. Few of the international-relations pundits who prophesy the concomitant decline of America and the advancement of China, India, Russia, and regional bodies like the European Union, appear worried about the prospect. Indeed, many seem downright pleased by the rise of the rest.
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Thoughts of the “end of history” tripe that circulated right after the fall of the Soviet Union.
spoke with a single mom today making about $47k now. I asked if she would be ok with paying a flat 15% of her gross and no more. She said that she only pays $1.75/hr during the year in taxes and gets $4500 back at tax time. She is not only not paying any taxes, but she is getting money out. A net loss for the fedgov.
As long as this is the case, we will continue the push deeper into socialism
It has been stated, many years ago, that if we had a 10% flat tax, no deductions, the government would have more money than they would know what to do with....if that’s possible. If this is true then the only reason for the tax system we have now is to keep the people broke and under control.
basically, the Dem's are buying votes and it will take a Reagan to fix it
The lower middle class and lower classes essentially contribute nothing to the public treasury yet gain alot in terms of schooling, social welfare, police protection and GOVERNMENT JOBS, etc. Of course, those in the lower middle class who decide to start businesses of their own typically wake-up, but are too few and far between.
Both have decided that they are only in favor of the west if they rule it completely. Meanwhile, the reality is nothing on earth can challenge us, and the entire crapstorm is completely made up, and nonsense start to finish.
About two billion people *wish* the US was powerless and in decline. It is nothing of the sort and their wishes cannot make it so.
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Was America destroyed by Woodrow Wilson or the progressive era? No. Was it destroyed by the great depression or the new deal? No. Was it destroyed by world wars or the big government needed to fight them? No. Was it destroyed by domestic treason, men giving atom bombs to Joe Stalin deliberately? No. Was it destroyed by defeatism, by the destruction of patriot presidents because they made pacifists look bad? No. Was it destroyed by rampant inflation, oil shocks, presidential paralysis and inaction in the face of terrorism? No. And it isn't going to be destroyed by a superficial lightweight from Chicago trying to play ward politics at the national level with money he doesn't have.
You simply have no realistic assessment of the scale of the forces in play, or what we overcame to get here. None of what we are up against now even ranks. It takes abject cowardice to be daunted by this pack of nitwits and their trivial concerns. What is actually going on, instead, is that the right has decided to compete with the left in the 21st century doom mongers sweepstakes. It doing so it has abandoned its own best traditions and its trademark sense of proportion and confidence in our traditions. And why? Roughly, because it thinks screaming louder that the sky is falling is good rhetoric.
It is dumb rhetoric, and the mountebanks of the world will always scream it louder.
The mountebanks that will always scream louder in any doom mongering competition are the left. Simple reading comprehension there.
Cowardice is being fearful of what does not call for fear, or letting fear rule ones actions. Doom mongers rely on it being widespread but also on it never being called by its true name to their face, because otherwise men would be ashamed to take their arguments seriously. For example, if a man (say an ex Vice- and near- president) screams that the world must stop everything it is doing instantly and obey his every demand, or it will get a few degrees warmer in 100 years, to listen to such claims requires a degree of timidity that would shame a mouse.
That is one reason doom mongering is dumb rhetoric. Those it can move mark themselves as morally unserious persons by that very fact. The more basic reason it is dumb rhetoric is it is never specific enough, the sentiment involved is arosed by any allegation whatever, etc. In short it opens the door to loud screaming by mountebanks, as already mentioned.
Your serious objection is to my characterization of the problems we face today as trivial compared to those we overcame to get here. You don't like this, but it is inconveniently true. Obama is a weak Chicago fixer, not Joe Stalin. The threat of a health care bill passing is hardly immediate nuclear annihilation by Soviet missiles. Democrats being unfair to Bush is hardly the destruction of Nixon and the deliberate surrender of Saigon. An unwise 5% surtax in a recession is hardly 94% tax rates in the middle of the great depression, in the name of balancing the budget.
But the prediction is simply more important to you than the actual history. I understand why. Mises, Hayek and company tried to argue that any deviation from their laissee fair principles must eventually end in full blown communism and central planning. But this was hyperbole even in the midst of the cold war, with men actually committed to that outcome. It was perhaps a useful warning of a possibility in that context. In a desire to reuse an old argument for want of ability to come up with a more pertinent or current one, you want to pretend this logic still operates and whenever a Chicago ward-manager passes a piece of graft it heralds a new gulag. But this is hyperbole at the most charitable.
Your problem is the substance of your case is not there, not the thinness of your hide or my imaginary billingsgate.
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