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To: frogjerk

Ummm, no. First of all, if it came down to a battle of 0bama vs. the Constitution, why do you believe the Constitution would win? It would just give Democrats more fuel to burn it.

And keep in mind, Clinton was impeached, and all that resulted in was a lot of Republicans being removed from office. Birther conspiracy theories are fringe. Republicans in congress should not push back against them, but they shouldn’t take them up as their own, either. They should take a position of “there just isn’t anything there to go on right now.”

I could very easily see many Republicans being forced into a lose-lose situation by a faction of the party that demands they pursue impeachment over this Birther stuff or face being labeled traitors, thereby ensuring they lose reelection either way.

0bama will not be removed from office, least of all over some conspiracy theory with no proof behind it. We are stuck with him for the next 3½ years. How we deal with that will determine whether or not we’re stuck with him for another 4 after that. If he is persecuted by Republicans over what most Americans perceive as bogus, then he will win a huge sympathy vote, and many voters will ignore his atrocious record in office. Don’t give them ammunition. 0bama is counting on it. He could end the Birther stuff once and for all by just releasing his long form birth certificate. The reason he doesn’t is more likely because he knows it HELPS him, than because there is anything there that would disqualify him.

0bama wants his opponents to look like fringe loonies. He wants the perception to be that Republicans have nothing better to use against him than some nutty Birther conspiracy theory. This actually creates a diversion from the real issues and takes the heat off of his policies. He is trying to cultivate the same sort of armor that Clinton did. We must not play into it this time.

It is better to leave 0bama’s legitimacy in tatters in the eyes of the voters who will then throw him out in 2012 than to actually try to pursue these things in any official way, making him a martyr and generating public sympathy.

We should do what we should have done with Clinton — leave him to twist in the wind.


136 posted on 07/27/2009 12:56:29 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: counterpunch

GOD Bless You Mr. Chamberlain! Right on!


140 posted on 07/27/2009 1:31:29 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: counterpunch

There is a big difference between Clinton and Obama. Clinton was just a liberal idiot. Obama is much more than that and very dangerous. I am surprised that there are still so many that do not see that.

We may not last long enough to wait for the rest of the country to wake up, if they ever do. If there is a way, via constitution means and the lack of a birth certificate then we should go for it with all we have.

How many people were out of work, losing their homes, their retirements, their savings when Clinton was in office? Small businesses are going under left and right. This is NOT like Clinton. Many of us won’t last long enough to wait for an election that may involve more fraud than we could ever hope to overcome.


146 posted on 07/27/2009 4:45:06 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: counterpunch

There are some problems with your logic. Had Clinton NOT been impeached Gore likely would have been elected. Had Clinton been convicted he also would have won.

Elected Republicans should spread doubt about Urkle’s legitimacy at every opportunity and insist that there must be fire where there is smoke. While we should keep fanning those flames the party should not distance itself from the questions. There is nothing unreasonable about asking that the birth certificate be provided nor with pointing out his refusal to do so.


155 posted on 07/27/2009 6:24:09 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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