James Carville (DNC): "It's a feel-good story, this Romney thing. Romney is an ascendant guy."
Posted on 07/25/2009 12:52:30 PM PDT by DB9
By Joshua Livestro
You all probably remember my good friend Michael van der Galien. He's the guy who wrote an 'ironic' post about the star qualities of Gov. Palin which led to a little back and forth between C4P and his site, Poligazette.
In all seriousness, Michael actually is a good friend of mine. He may be wrong about one big thing (i.e. his blind, uncritical support for the Mittrosexual Man), but he is right about a lot of other things. If I'd have to pick a man to stand next to me in the trenches to defend life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness against the socialist hordes of Obama & Co, Michael would probably be that man. But even the best of friends can have the odd argument, and well, he's asking for one with his latest post.
Unable - or is it unwilling? - to see the WaPo poll for what it is, namely a politically motivated push poll cut out of whole cloth for the purpose of 'phraming' Palin's farewell speech as Governor this coming Sunday as being merely another step on the inevitable road to oblivion, Michael decides to act as if the poll contains actually relevant pieces of data. I mean come on Michael, you're a serious citizen journalist. A poll that oversamples Democrats vs. Republicans by a good four or five percent (33D 22R), and that doesn't even use registered voters, let alone the infinitely more reliable category of likely voters, is not a serious poll and doesn't deserve to be treated like one. You know this as well as I do (as does your friend AP, whose anti-Palin hackery is getting beyond the stage of deeply tiresome), and still you decide to write about this poll as if it is divinely inspired. What possible motive could you have for this, apart from trying to promote the cause of your candidate by trying to damage that of one of his main contenders?
Well, two can play that game, Michael. In fact, I'll have a lot more to work with than you do. I'm not referring to the many serious objections to Romney's candidacy (his disastrous healthcare reform project in Massachusetts, his anti-Reagan statements in the early nineties, his flipflopping on a key issue like abortion) or the non-serious ones, like the fact that he's boring (as in: 50 people, Michael. 50. And half of them were probably on Romney's payroll. Then again, boring men sometimes do end up winning their party's nomination. They always lose in the end, but that's another matter), or the fact that he's a Mormon (who cares - apart from Mike Huckabee, that is?).
No, I'll limit myself to the most serious, and potentially most deadly, objection to Romney, which is that his own party's voters simply don't dig the man. Just look at the data from this poll by Democratic pollsters PPP (before you ask: it's a registered voters survey, with party ID 42D, 35R, 23I - a reliable survey basically, unlike the one you used for your post). The figures make pretty devastating reading for Romney-fans. Among all Republican voters, Romney is 12 points behind Huckabee, 22 points behind Palin. Among conservative Republicans (75 percent of the electorate in the GOP primaries), the gap with Palin is even wider: 23 percent (81-58). Oh and before you get your hopes up about Romney somehow making up this astronomical difference through his support among moderate Republican voters: forget it. Even among what should be his core constituency, Romney trails Huckabee by 8 percent and Palin by a whopping 19 percent.
Face it Michael: Romney's toast. He's a flipflopper, a fake, a phony, a guy who can't even decide which state he's supposed to be from (is it Michigan? Utah? Massachusetts? You tell me). People smell his fakery a hundred miles away, and they avoid it like the plague. That's the reason only 50 people showed up at that campaign event in New Jersey, that's why he finished third in the weakest presidential field the GOP had produced in the past hundred years or so. And that's why he's trailing the other main contenders for the 2012 nomination by at least ten percent - even among his supposed core constituency of moderates.
Three years is plenty of time to take away any lingering doubts voters may have about Palin's fitness for the presidency. But all the time in the world won't be enought to convince conservative Republican voters that Romney is really one of them. Because deep down inside, he simply isn't.
Now Michael, if you want more of this, all I can say is: bring it on. But I suggest you use the rest of this weekend to ponder the deeper meaning of Reagan's 11th Commandment. There is a war on for the soul of the American project, with an ultraliberal in the White House who is determined to change his country into a European-style social democracy, but for some reason moderate Republicans like yourself are more interested in fighting Gov. Palin. It reminds me of that old Churchill anecdote when a young backbench MP approached the great old man, pointed at the Labour benches and asked him what he thought of 'the enemy'. "The enemy?", he answered. "My boy, that is the opposition. The enemy is seated behind me."
See # 13.
Actually, the question is whether to stick with the GOP or, as many are theorizing, strike out with a new Populist Conservative movement, as that’s what many think Palin is up to. . .
Romneycare in MA will sink his candidacy. If Romneycare were just mediocre or “sort of sucky” then he’d have a chance. But it’s such a disaster that the only way Romney could get away with it is if he was a black Marxist with radical associates.
No they won't. Weak candidates make for weak turn out, weak turn out means losses all the way down the ticket.
Apathy is bad but Romney actually repulses a lot of the conservative base and he would do more than only cause weak turn out, he would cause a small degree of actual rebellion and refusal to vote for his ticket.
Romney represents a line in the sand for many conservatives, he is a bridge too far because his prevailing in being awarded the nomination would prove that conservatives have no influence or control over the GOP.
Personally I believe that conservatives are winning this showdown against the Rockefeller/Romney part of the GOP and it's media representatives like Peggy Noonan that have been dragged out into the light this past year.
Sarah Palin threw a brick through the smoky colored dome that covered our little world of ineffectual conservatism and with the light that shined through that opening we could see all of the slimy little creatures that instead of being with us, have been fighting us and holding us back for all these years.
The battle lines are drawn, we know who each other are now.
If, however, they're more concerned with jamming a thumb into the collective eye of the conservative voting base yet again than they are with defeating The One -- and that's the smart way to bet, quite frankly -- then they'll do everything possible to cram yet another dreary, uninspiring "moderate" squish (Romney, Pawlenty, Crist, etc.) down our throats.
Bookmark it.
Well I guess that is helpful for them, he is an expert...
LOL...
That is a very well done and effective cartoon.
“99.9% will vote against Obama.
“No they won’t.”
Then they aren’t conservatives.
Romney is a liberal pretending to be a conservative. Obama is a communist pretending to be a liberal.
And lately he has made strong hints that he has flipped on amnesty.
Well said!
You are one of the worst Romneybots, do you think that we don’t remember you?
No one is after Romney in order to promote a particular candidate, that is what the Romneybots do, go after everyone in a scorched earth manner.
Conservatives are merely trying to eliminate one filthy worm that doesn’t belong in presidential politics and we are trying to protect the rest of the GOP field from the amoral monster. If conservatives do not eliminate Romney and his nest of vipers then he will take down the GOP again and he will destroy any conservative that gets in the way of his anti-conservative instincts.
Palin is no Reagan either. The only creditials she was going to have next to her name are now gone.
If your memory and perceptions were a little sharper, you would remember and distinguish between “promoting” and “defending against excessive criticism.”
When I responded to your post I was responding to your claiming that conservatives will simply show up and vote Romney because they have to, that flies in the face of reality and history, you keep pushing this simple minded statement and I don’t buy it because I know it isn’t true, each election’s voter turnout is not just a reflection of the previous one, the candidate matters.
Weak candidates make for weak turn out, weak turn out means losses all the way down the ticket.
Apathy is bad but Romney actually repulses a lot of the conservative base and he would do more than only cause weak turn out, he would cause a small degree of actual rebellion and refusal to vote for his ticket.
Romney represents a line in the sand for many conservatives, he is a bridge too far because his prevailing in being awarded the nomination would prove that conservatives have no influence or control over the GOP.
Personally I believe that conservatives are winning this showdown against the Rockefeller/Romney part of the GOP and it’s media representatives like Peggy Noonan that have been dragged out into the light this past year.
Sarah Palin threw a brick through the smoky colored dome that covered our little world of ineffectual conservatism and with the light that shined through that opening we could see all of the slimy little creatures that instead of being with us, have been fighting us and holding us back for all these years.
The battle lines are drawn, we know who each other are now.
James Carville (DNC): "It's a feel-good story, this Romney thing. Romney is an ascendant guy."
You were always there pushing your man Mitt and you are doing it before our very eyes on this very thread.
Gosh, give us a chance to get our breaths.
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