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Memo from CBO Director Elmendorf to Rep. Hoyer discussing PAYGO Asset seizure plans (FR Exclusive)
Congressional Budget Office ^ | July 22, 2009 | Douglas W. Elmendorf - CBO Director

Posted on 07/23/2009 6:54:40 PM PDT by bamahead

CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE
Douglas W. Elmendorf,
Director
U.S. Congress
Washington, DC 20515
July 22, 2009

Honorable Steny M. Hoyer
Majority Leader
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Mr. Leader:
This letter responds to your request that we review an amendment in the nature of a substitute to H.R. 2920, the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2009 (the amendment), provided to CBO on July 21, 2009. On July 14, 2009, CBO provided an analysis of the version of H.R. 2920 that was introduced on June 17, 2009, which would establish new statutory pay-asyou- go (PAYGO) requirements and authorize the Administration to enforce compliance through a sequestration mechanism. Key issues raised in that analysis and CBO’s analysis of the proposed changes to H.R. 2920, are discussed below.

Summary of CBO’s Analysis of H.R. 2920 As Introduced CBO’s July 14 letter described the agency’s view that H.R. 2920 as introduced includes some features—in particular, the statutory sequestration mechanism—that could enhance overall budget enforcement.
CBO’s analysis of the introduced bill also noted that:
• Provisions that call for adjustments in PAYGO estimates to allow for extensions of “current policy” with regard to certain expiring tax provisions and Medicare payments for physicians’ services would facilitate continuation of such policies without making the resulting deficit increases (relative to current law) subject to sequestration procedures.

• The legislation would shift some control over the budget process from the Congress to the executive branch in ways that could effectively require lawmakers to vote on legislation without a clear indication of the potential impact of their decisions on the triggering of a future sequestration.

• The bill would require that all mandatory programs with current-year outlays greater than $50 million be continued in the baseline after the programs expire. In CBO’s estimation, that provision would add at least $25 billion to the baseline over the 2010-2019 period. In keeping with the principle that proposed legislation should be scored with its incremental effect relative to the current budget resolution baseline, CBO believes that this provision should be scored as increasing mandatory spending.


Analysis of the Amendment You asked CBO to assess how some of the amendment’s proposed changes to the introduced bill would affect those conclusions. In particular, you asked us to consider the impact of provisions in the amendment that would:

• Modify proposed rules that would require legislation affecting four specified areas of the budget to be scored for PAYGO purposes relative to “current policy” rather than current law;
• Provide for the use of CBO cost estimates incorporated by reference in enacted legislation for purposes of maintaining the PAYGO scorecard; and
• Remove or modify many of the changes in scorekeeping procedures contained in H.R. 2920—including the provision that would require that all mandatory programs with current-year outlays greater than $50 million be continued in the baseline after their scheduled expiration date.

Overall, combined with the Congress’s existing pay-as-you-go rules, a statutory sequestration mechanism such as the one that would be established under H.R. 2920 (as introduced or as amended) could enhance overall budget enforcement. However, if the system envisioned in either version of the bill was used in place of the current Congressional rules or a more stringent statutory PAYGO system, enactment of the legislation could lead to larger future deficits under some circumstances.

By eliminating some of the provisions in H.R. 2920 as introduced, the amendment could aid efforts to restrain such deficit increases.

Scoring to Reflect “Current Policy.”

Both H.R. 2920 as introduced and the amendment would specify unique scoring rules for legislation affecting four areas of the budget:

1. Medicare’s “sustainable growth rate” (SGR) mechanism for paying physicians;
2. The estate and gift tax;
3. The alternative minimum tax for individuals; and
4. The income tax cuts enacted in the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003.

In each of those areas, current law would lead, over time, to lower deficits than would occur under “current policy” as some might define it; CBO’s baseline reflects those current-law reductions in spending and increases in revenues.
The prescribed scoring rules under H.R. 2920 as introduced and the amendment differ in how those rules would be applied, but both would effectively require that legislation affecting those areas of the budget be scored in future years relative to policies in place in 2009, rather than to the policies that would take effect under current law. In effect, both the introduced version of H.R. 2920 and the amendment would allow the Congress to enact legislation that would increase deficits relative to currentlaw projections without triggering a sequestration. Such deficit increases could occur even in the absence of H.R. 2920; for example, changes in law to avoid revenue increases from the AMT or spending reductions from the SGR mechanism have been enacted repeatedly in recent years.

Use of CBO Estimates for Sequestration Purposes.

Both the introduced version of H.R. 2920 and the amendment would require the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to track increases or decreases in the yearend deficit on PAYGO scorecards for sequestration purposes. Under the introduced version, OMB would record the budgetary effects of each act based on its own estimates, which might not be prepared until after enactment. In contrast, the substitute amendment would direct OMB to use CBO’s estimates of budgetary effects that would be printed in the Congressional Record before a final vote on the legislation and incorporated by reference in the enrolled version of each act. In CBO’s view, this change might, in some cases, give lawmakers a clearer understanding of an act’s implications for a potential sequestration prior to final passage and would shift less control of the PAYGO process to the Administration.

Scorekeeping Procedures.The July 21, 2009, substitute amendment would eliminate many provisions of H.R. 2920 related to the set of scorekeeping rules, concepts, and procedures used to generate baseline budget projections. Most notably, the amendment would remove a provision of the introduced bill that would require that all mandatory programs with current-year outlays greater than $50 million be continued in the baseline after their scheduled expiration date. In our July 14 letter, CBO stated that the latter provision should be scored as increasing mandatory spending over baseline levels by at least $25 billion over the 2010-2019 period. In contrast, CBO estimates that enacting the July 21, 2009, substitute should not be scored with any effects on mandatory spending or revenues because it would not change baseline projections.

I hope this information is helpful to you. If you have follow-up questions, I would be happy to address them.

Sincerely,
Douglas W. Elmendorf
Director

cc: Honorable John A. Boehner Minority Leader

Honorable John M. Spratt Jr. Chairman, Committee on the Budget

Honorable Paul Ryan Ranking Member


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; cbo; hoyer; lping; paygo; seizure; taxes
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To: bamahead

BFL!


21 posted on 07/23/2009 9:23:47 PM PDT by Lilpug15 (The Forgotten Man: He works, he votes and he generally prays - but He Always Pays": Sumner)
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To: bamahead
I dunno about the sequestration thing (is that even a word?) but budgeting is the responsibility of the House of Representatives, NOT the President (if we even have one).

So yeah - what's proposed here is unconstitutional.

22 posted on 07/23/2009 10:25:17 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (He must fail.)
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To: bamahead

All this amounts to is Obama grabbing as much power as he can.
Of course this will never get the attention that it deserves, hell half of the congressmen won’t even see it they have so much paper hitting their desks these days.

If you ever heard his interview with NPR Obama believed that the office of the president was not given the full power that it should have been given. he believed that there were ways that power not assigned to the office could be taken.

He is brilliant (Evil) but brilliant. The tragic thing about him is he spent so much time learning about the ways around the constitution and so little time learning what it really means.

He is usurping at every turn he can, in every way that he can. It is nothing more than a very old useless piece of paper to him. If he thought for a minute he could get away with wiping his filthy a$$ with it he would as a symbolic gesture of what he thinks of our most prized possession.

May god have mercy and compassion on those of us who are going to have to live under his rule when he is done.


23 posted on 07/23/2009 10:25:49 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: bamahead

my pleasure ... I try to keep an eye on the stuff that flys under the radar, this one looked too big to be a bird .. when I started looking .. it was a fully loaded b-52 heading for all of us. :-(

So now how do we get the word out? Drudge??


24 posted on 07/23/2009 10:29:35 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: bamahead

25 posted on 07/24/2009 5:18:06 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Even stumbling blocks can be used for re-construction - Ernst R. Hauschka)
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To: Munz
Please ignore the man behind the curtain...

26 posted on 07/24/2009 5:20:00 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Even stumbling blocks can be used for re-construction - Ernst R. Hauschka)
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To: Munz

>>> “May god have mercy and compassion on those of us who are going to have to live under his rule when he is done.

Why on earth would anyone have no choice but to live under his rule??

Jesus Christ man, grow a pair...

I hereby and officially question the manhood of anyone who laments having no choice but to live under marxist rule...

Your “Man cards” will be revoked and you will be required to send them back. However, you can keep the lacy pink holder you kept it in.


27 posted on 07/24/2009 5:34:09 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: myself6

>Jesus Christ man, grow a pair...<

If you met me face to face, I highly doubt that you would take that stance. But I am seriously concerned for my wife and kids.


28 posted on 07/24/2009 12:50:02 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz

>>”If you met me face to face, I highly doubt that you would take that stance.”

That’s more like it...

;-)


29 posted on 07/24/2009 3:11:32 PM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: myself6

Couple of corrections:

Under current law, the Bush tax cuts expire. The Bush tax cuts are current policy until they expire at the end of 2010. so when CBO said that the deficits would be lower under current law than it would be under current policy, they are saying that the deficits would be lower if the Bush tax cuts expired. and incidentally, CBO addressed that issue because the PAYGO bill would exempt legislation extending curret policy in some areas, including most of the Bush tax cuts.

Sequestration is an across-the-board cut in spending. The sequestration mechanism in the PAYGO bill is based on the Gramm-Rudman (written by Phil Gramm and Warren Rudman, Republican Senators) and signed by Ronald Reagan. So all of the negative comments here directed toward President Obama regarding sequestration apply to Ronald Reagan.


30 posted on 07/28/2009 6:21:35 PM PDT by EdgarL
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To: EdgarL

Meh... Any and all negative comments on my part are in reference to the fedgov and its current state of being. Specifically the fact that it is currently owned by marxist revolutionaries.

Even though I idolized the guy when I was younger, he was not the “god like” entity that some proclaim him to have been. While he did reverse some of the socialist trends of the fedgov, he was unable to get to some of the most damaging aspects and even then the things he did “fix” did not stay fixed for long after he left office. So “blaming” the actions of the M’er F’er’s of today on Reagan is a completely ineffectual argument with me.

The fedgov needs to be cut down by the states. It doesnt matter who did what or even why or when the federal government became a f’ing monster. It needs to either be put back in the cage the founders built for it or if that becomes impossible... We need to abandon it and starve it and its enablers to death.


31 posted on 07/29/2009 5:17:11 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: myself6

OK, take Reagan out of it. You’re saying that you are against automatic spending cuts (which is what sequestration actually means) whether it is an Obama proposal or building off on Phil Gramm proposal Reagan signed. Is that what you really think, or are you so blinded by hatred of Obama that if he supports something you oppose it without even thinking about it?


32 posted on 07/29/2009 4:56:25 PM PDT by EdgarL
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To: EdgarL
Sequestration is an across-the-board cut in spending.

I beg to differ with your definition if sequestration, as it is:

Sequestration (law), the act of seizing property from the owner under process of law for the benefit of creditors or the state

33 posted on 08/24/2009 4:16:45 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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