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Gut shots claimed Oklahoma City pharmacy robber (Mr. Ersland- OK)
newsok ^ | 7/21/2009 | Staff

Posted on 07/22/2009 4:26:22 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

The robber killed by a pharmacist in May died from gunshots to his body, not the shot to his head, the state chief medical examiner confirmed in the autopsy report.

Antwun Rayshaun Parker, 16, of Oklahoma City was knocked out after being shot in the head and would have survived that injury, Dr. Collie Trant told The Oklahoman.

Pharmacist Jerome Jay Ersland is charged with first-degree murder in a case that sparked a national debate. Prosecutors allege he went too far because he shot the robber five more times after knocking the robber unconscious with the shot to the head. Ersland said he acted in self-defense. He said in a nationally televised interview that he thought the robber was getting up.

The autopsy report released Tuesday describes the first wound as a "non-fatal gunshot entrance/graze wound to head.”

Trant explained the first shot involved a three-pellet shell.

Parker was shot five other times — to the chest and abdomen, the autopsy report shows.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsok.com ...


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To: Red in Blue PA
After watching the video.

It appears Jerome Jay Ersland was over the perp for 2 maybe 3 seconds.

Five shots in 2 to 3 seconds ?

I don't think so.


81 posted on 07/22/2009 2:17:23 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: jwalsh07

I thought the pharmacist was deaf. If he is, then he can only rely upon his vision. If he sees the perp move, then the threat remains. Prudence dictates that you remove the threat.


82 posted on 07/22/2009 2:21:12 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Security cameras are not filmed in real time. The timer on a security camera only shows how long the video is and not how long the actual event transpired.


83 posted on 07/22/2009 2:44:32 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Security cameras are not filmed in real time. The timer on a security camera only shows how long the video is and not how long the actual event transpired.

count the elapsed seconds during the event.

84 posted on 07/22/2009 2:48:14 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: jwalsh07

“The video camera at the pharmacists back clearly shows him lurching for cover to his left before firing on his way back.”

The video shows nothing of the sort. He didnt have a gun, he dropped at the shot. He wasnt diving for cover, he was shot in the head. Talk about willfull ignorance. I would love to give the pharmacist benefit of the doubt but he clearly exceeded the law.


85 posted on 07/22/2009 2:51:12 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

“Five shots in 2 to 3 seconds ?”

I can DRAW and fire five shots in 2 seconds, with a revolver. And I’m not particularly fast.


86 posted on 07/22/2009 2:53:15 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Hacklehead
I can DRAW and fire five shots in 2 seconds, with a revolver. And I’m not particularly fast.

Were you the shooter and not the pharmacist ?

87 posted on 07/22/2009 2:59:09 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
count the elapsed seconds during the event.

Ok, one more time. Security cameras do not show real time. They show how long the security camera video lasted.

I'll try to explain it again for the third time.

Did you notice how choppy the druggist moves through the clip? Real live people don't move like that. The security camera is only taking a very short number of frames per second. If you still don't understand how a security camera works, call someone at an electronics store and they'll try very hard to explain it to you.

88 posted on 07/22/2009 3:01:36 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I'm wondering how the coroner knows that the first shot rendered him unconscious? And how do we know that the perp’s arms were outstretched before the last shots were fired?
89 posted on 07/22/2009 3:03:45 PM PDT by RetiredNavy ("Only accurate firearms are interesting")
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

“”I can DRAW and fire five shots in 2 seconds, with a revolver. And I’m not particularly fast.””

“Were you the shooter and not the pharmacist ?”

This is a level of stupidity rarely seen so I will re-state so that even you can understand. Five shots in 2-3 seconds with a gun already in hand at a range of a few feet is so easy that virtually ANYONE could do it.


90 posted on 07/22/2009 3:07:00 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: CholeraJoe
I highly doubt the evidence will support a verdict of premeditated murder. The jury will have to factor in the fact that the dead man and his accomplice initiated a violent confrontation (aggravated felony) in the defendant's own place of business. They fired first. The defendant reacted. The defendant had been violently robbed before, and they will have to factor that into his mental state as well.

This is not first degree murder. It is likely not even second degree murder. In light of the violent provocation initiated by the dead man his accomplice it is most likely a variety of voluntary manslaughter (however denominated under Oklahoma law). It is homicide resulting from an imperfect right of self-defense.

And the accomplice will share responsibility for the death and will receive a much stiffer sentence.

91 posted on 07/22/2009 3:18:24 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Shooter 2.5
U-2012>count the elapsed seconds during the event.

Ok, one more time. Security cameras do not show real time. They show how long the security camera video lasted.

I'll try to explain it again for the third time.

Did you notice how choppy the druggist moves through the clip? Real live people don't move like that. The security camera is only taking a very short number of frames per second. If you still don't understand how a security camera works, call someone at an electronics store and they'll try very hard to explain it to you.

The time and date stamp caption clearly reads

month / day / year hours in military time : Minutes : seconds . parts of seconds.

Did it not occur on May 19th 2009 at 3:40 PM ?


92 posted on 07/22/2009 3:27:34 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

the shooter was an average citizen not a Trained Law officer...If a thug pointed a gun at me and I didn’t freeze in terror, but reacted with fear and rage I would keep shooting and shooting.

“Antwun”..give me a F...g Break! If his mother is so stupid she can’t even spell Antoine right...that kid has PPP (Piss Poor Protoplasm).


93 posted on 07/22/2009 3:31:10 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: Hacklehead
H>“”I can DRAW and fire five shots in 2 seconds, with a revolver. And I’m not particularly fast.””

U-2012>“Were you the shooter and not the pharmacist ?”

This is a level of stupidity rarely seen so I will re-state so that even you can understand. Five shots in 2-3 seconds with a gun already in hand at a range of a few feet is so easy that virtually ANYONE could do it.

Apparently I misunderstood you

You were not very clear in your statement.

There is no need to call other people stupid.

I have never seen you at my Mensa meetings.


94 posted on 07/22/2009 3:33:48 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

>>If it were up to me, I would create an “open season doctrine” whereby anyone who pulls a gun has just created an “anything goes” environment where the law will not protect them.<<

I think that is an excellent idea. Seriously.


95 posted on 07/22/2009 3:33:51 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

If you have some sort of medical problem you can have someone explain this post to you.

Security cameras don’t measure real elapsed time. A security camera could record somthing in ten seconds but the event could have taken ten minutes.

If that is still unclear, post to someone else to have them explain it to you.


96 posted on 07/22/2009 4:01:44 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Can you not read ?

Even if it were not 30 fps.

The time stamp is recorded on the video


97 posted on 07/22/2009 4:10:44 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Gorzaloon
A person in fear for their life will naturally empty the gun. It's actually a defense.

It's called "perseveration". I learned the word as a juror on murder trial.

98 posted on 07/22/2009 4:16:30 PM PDT by choirboy
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To: Hacklehead; All
He didnt have a gun,

The video shows a thug with a gun walking in with his thug buddy.....it would be FOOLISH to assume the 2nd guy did not have a gun even if one is not visible.

Armed robbery is a dangerous business; something these punks learned too late.

You can shed tears for them. I won't.
99 posted on 07/22/2009 4:24:19 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: RobRoy; All

Personally, I think 70% of the country would agree with a law of that sort.

As it is, the law protects the BG all too often.

This nation needs an “Open Season Doctrine”...as it is, there is little disincentive for these thugs to do what they do.


100 posted on 07/22/2009 4:27:04 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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