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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

>>Considering the past record of it—a century of bogus science (Haeckel, Bathybius, Piltdown, eugenics, sociobiology, ev psych, etc), it’s reasonable to say that the burden is on the evolutionist to prove that his stuff is real. I don’t see why you should be the one to go track down that supposedly vanished box full of Peking Men and prove it was all fake... I mean, it’s their box-full-o-evidence, their story, their problem. Not mine. There’s no reason on earth why we should be compelled to believe in such stuff.<<

So science uses its methodology to ensure fidelity to scientific principles and that proves that science cheats. Or — wait it is proof it doesn’t cheat since its methodology exposes cheats.

Jeeze, with you folks it is always a loss. Your inability to see the scientific method in action in your examples (well, the real ones — eugenics has no relationship to TToE except in the really, really slow amongst you). Piltdown is no more a mark against TToE than a robbery means we must tear down all banks.

Do I need to get started with the Televangelists who have used Christ’s name as a scam? Do they mean that Christ never came down and saved us? (It does by your “logic.”) Let’s go point for point: Televangelists vs. Science scammers. Loser has to change his tagline to anything the winner wants, within FR rules.

(yeah, that’ll be the day)


94 posted on 07/23/2009 12:35:09 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003; Ethan Clive Osgoode
Piltdown is no more a mark against TToE than a robbery means we must tear down all banks.

Piltdown is a mark against the credibility of the scientists who claim to be speaking on the validity of the ToE.

Do I need to get started with the Televangelists who have used Christ’s name as a scam? Do they mean that Christ never came down and saved us? (It does by your “logic.”)

It's not the same thing. We're talking about expressing skepticism against some conveniently perfect fossil find being authentic. The topic isn't about where any fossil that is proved to be authentic adequately supports the ToE; we're discussing the authenticity of the fossil.

So your analogy is wrong. A more correct one would be that since some televangelists are frauds and shysters, then one would be perfectly justified in suspecting that the next one that comes along is likely to be one as well, until it can be demonstrated through careful scrutiny, that he's not.


97 posted on 07/23/2009 8:25:31 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003; metmom
science uses its methodology to ensure fidelity to scientific principles... it is proof it doesn’t cheat since its methodology exposes cheats.

So then, according to you, Piltdown bolsters the credibility of evolution science. Interesting to see how evolutionists have found a way to recycle Piltdown. Why let it go to waste, eh? It has found new posthumous value. Let us then add Piltdown to the "List of Reasons to Believe in Evolution Science"...

List of Reasons to Believe in Evolution Science

1. Piltdown.

You see, in evolution science, even fakes and frauds end up to be bolstering supportive evidence.
104 posted on 07/23/2009 8:22:26 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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