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1 posted on 07/21/2009 2:33:29 PM PDT by Maigret
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To: Maigret

My first born is on the autistic spectrum. He started showing signs at 10 days old, way before he had any vaccines.

My two-cent anecdote.


2 posted on 07/21/2009 2:37:35 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: Maigret

Well well, the scary movies I grew up on are coming true. When you start playing atound with God’s creation you get trouble.


3 posted on 07/21/2009 2:39:39 PM PDT by Marty62
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Ye Gods! What a horror story. What do you think the general reaction to this information would be from the citizenry if it were to become widely known?


5 posted on 07/21/2009 2:41:33 PM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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Correlation is NOT causality. “aborted cells” makes it sound like newly aborted babies are used in the creation of the vaccines. This is patently FALSE.

“I believe Rubella component of MMR vaccine was originally sourced from aborted fetuses. I have an ethical problem with this. Is this true?”

Rubella vaccine, including that used in MMR vaccine is produced by growing it in a cell culture called MRC5.

The rubella vaccine was developed from a fetus obtained from a single termination of pregnancy carried out on medical grounds in 1966. The rubella virus used in the vaccine was isolated from a different fetus terminated in the 1960s in the United States because the fetus had congenital rubella. No further fetal material has ever been used for rubella vaccine manufacture.

The rigorous purification process during manufacture removes all trace of the cells in which the vaccine was grown and so the rubella vaccine contains no human fetal tissue.

“There is no question of any new fetal tissue being used in making this vaccine, or of those involved in the termination profiting in any way.

All rubella vaccine is manufactured in this way.”(http://www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk/questions/question.php?id=83)

Now you can scream all you want and call conspiracy and everything else. BUT please at least use the correct information


7 posted on 07/21/2009 2:46:18 PM PDT by the long march
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Wow...I’m shocked. It’s like soylent green. This is utterly disgusting that we are injecting aborted fetus dna into our babies! I feel sick now.


8 posted on 07/21/2009 2:46:48 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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What has been ignored is the fact that this new MMR vaccine introduced the use of aborted fetal cells for vaccine production

I had no clue about this. Anyone know why they would use such cells in the first place?!

I have two kids with an autoimmune disease. Honestly, I doubt the vaccines were the trigger/source and, obviously, have no clue if any fetal DNA would have been present in the vaccines.

I'm not happy that I didn't know about this (aborted fetal DNA) until now. Hope this turns out to be wrong.

9 posted on 07/21/2009 2:51:43 PM PDT by batter (Wolverines!)
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Good grief. This possible connection was raised as early as 1979, and I have spent a lot of time reading pro-life literature and opposing fetal stem cells and human experimentation, yet this is the first I have ever heard of this possible cause of autism.

It makes only too much sense. In the first place, it should be obvious that human tissue and DNA is a LOT more likely to be dangerous to other humans than animal DNA. In the second place, it’s hard not to think that in a universe of moral law, there would be moral payback for using aborted human DNA in this way—killing humans to fix humans. It’s unnatural.

Well, we certainly won’t get any government response to this possibility from Obama, or Sebelius, or any of Obama’s other stooges, who are pro-abortion one & all.


14 posted on 07/21/2009 2:54:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Main article: MMR vaccine controversy

In the UK, the MMR vaccine was the subject of controversy after publication of a 1998 paper by Andrew Wakefield et al. reporting a study of twelve children who had autism spectrum disorders and bowel symptoms, including cases where onset was considered to be soon after administration of MMR vaccine.[25] During a 1998 press conference, Wakefield suggested that giving children the vaccines in three separate doses would be safer than a single injection. This suggestion was not supported by the paper, and several subsequent peer-reviewed studies have failed to show any association between the vaccine and autism.[26] Administering the vaccines in three separate doses does not reduce the chance of adverse effects, and it increases the opportunity for infection by the two diseases not immunized against first.[26][27] Health experts have criticized media reporting of the MMR-autism controversy for triggering a decline in vaccination rates.[28]

In 2004, after an investigation by The Sunday Times,[29] the interpretation section of the study, which identified a general association in time between the vaccine and autism, was formally retracted by ten of Wakefield’s twelve coauthors.[30] The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,[31] the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences,[32] the UK National Health Service[33] and the Cochrane Library review[10] have all concluded that there is no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

In 2007 Wakefield became the subject of a General Medical Council disciplinary hearing over allegations that his research had received funding related to litigation against MMR-vaccine manufacturers, and had concealed this fact from the editors of The Lancet.[34] It was later revealed that Wakefield received £435,643 [about $780,000] plus expenses for consulting work related to the lawsuit. This funding came from the UK legal aid fund, a fund intended to provide legal services to the poor.[29] In 2009 The Sunday Times reported that Wakefield had manipulated patient data and misreported results in his 1998 paper, creating the appearance of a link with autism.[35]

[edit] MMRV vaccine

More information for you to consider


15 posted on 07/21/2009 2:54:43 PM PDT by the long march
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To: Maigret

The death culture is so adaptable!

Death from death; what a concept!


19 posted on 07/21/2009 3:01:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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US AND CANADA - ABORTED FETAL CELL LINE PRODUCTS AND ETHICAL ALTERNATIVES

http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm


26 posted on 07/21/2009 3:20:29 PM PDT by anonsquared (Jim Thompson made me do it!)
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these vaccines were made originally in 1979.

The “upsurge” in autism comes much much later: in the 1990’s.

This is anti vaccine propaganda by people who have never seen an child born deaf and autistic from rubella, have never seen children die of measles, or a child who ends up with brain damage from whooping cough.

The rubella vaccine used virus from fetuses aborted for deformities but that was many years ago, and I’m not sure that thirty years later there is a lot of fetal DNA still around...

So the vaccines were not made from fetuses aborted to make vaccine (as is implied in the article). Before Roe V Wade, abortions for rubella infection was allowed, because of the terrible damage to the child (retardation, autism, blindness, deafness).

And the Vatican, when asked, said that since the cooperation with evil was limited and remote there was no alternative, that the vaccine could be used by Catholics until another vaccine was devised.


28 posted on 07/21/2009 3:29:18 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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Shame on this “doctor” and shame on you for publishing it.

If someone who reads this doesn’t vaccinate his or her kids, and they end up sick or brain damaged or dead, you are partly responsible for it.

And why not suspect chemicals in the environment that could cause subtle brain damage? This could explain why I saw a lot of autism in Boston, but I rarely saw any on the Indian reservations.

Having a “retarded” child is a shame to the parents, but if they call the kid “autistic”, they can ignore his retardation, and all the social stigma that goes along with it.

But 30 years ago, I worked in an institution for the retarded, and many of our moderate and profoundly retarded had “autistic” behavior...but did not have that diagnosis on their charts.

Children with Down’s syndrome have normal behavior, as do children with myelomeningocoel and mild retardation.

But children who suffered interuterine infections (rubella, cytomegalovirus) or interuterine hypoxia (toxemia/pre eclampsia/hypertension) or who were born prematurely who in the past would have died now are living at home, and some of them have subtle brain damage.

But many of those who fit the classic “autism” syndrome include autistic children who have a history of such infections, or suffered from Fragile X syndrome.


30 posted on 07/21/2009 3:42:06 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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I didn’t.


35 posted on 07/21/2009 4:44:39 PM PDT by Guenevere
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OMGOSH.”Now when we vaccinate our children, some vaccines also deliver contaminating aborted human fetal DNA”


36 posted on 07/21/2009 5:27:26 PM PDT by fatima (Free hugs today :).)
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Does the author of this article *know* this? There’s a good deal of speculation and no facts. This isn’t even a hypothesis to test upon.


38 posted on 07/21/2009 5:57:41 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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“How many people know this?”

I've known it for years, and it is why NONE of my five children have had ANY vaccinations. ( my oldest daughter did get two MMR shots before I started reading two years ago) but I have kept my kids away from the needles and the mercury and the aborted fetal tissue and the other toxic ingredients, and guess what?

None of them is autistic.

Jenny

40 posted on 07/21/2009 6:38:33 PM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Mormon Mommy Blogger)
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