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1 posted on 07/21/2009 12:07:22 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: Tired of Taxes

Marking to read more later.


2 posted on 07/21/2009 12:14:17 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: neverdem

The start of the article loses me immediately.

The voting age wasn’t lowered due to psychologists: it was lowered due to the draft. Asking people to fight at the age of 18, regardless, meant that they should have a vote in what they were fighting for.


3 posted on 07/21/2009 12:14:19 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: neverdem
It's darkest just before the dawn

so that's what he meant....:


6 posted on 07/21/2009 12:29:12 AM PDT by wardaddy (Flame and Citron....great movie about Dane resistance........Sarah Palin, there is no substitute)
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To: neverdem

“Virtually no one ‘wises up’ and becomes a Leftist”

Ha! This tickled me.


7 posted on 07/21/2009 12:36:15 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: neverdem

It’s a thought-provoking read, but I’m WAY past sick of the “It can’t happen here” bullsh*t.

So many on the right are convinced of this WHILE WE’RE IN THE MIDST OF TRYING TO STAVE OF SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!

Too much confidence, or evidence of a patriotic bromide, for this man’s comfort.


8 posted on 07/21/2009 12:39:51 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: neverdem

The author may not have fully represented the social and political pressure behind the reasons the voting age was lowered when it was — but I can say that I myself was nearing 18 at the time, and this made lively discussion in our home.

My elder brother and sister were in favor of the change, neither one being subject to the draft do to their educational status and technical college majors (although calling up my elder brother would have been a great thing, I believe - it would might have made a man out of him).

My high school graduate parents both argued against the change (my army veteran dad had been a firm Democrat until George Wallace came along and then supported his independent candidacy), and their reasoning was very much like the ones cited in this article, except that they used words like social and politcal “maturity,” rather than refering to brain scan activity. I believe they were correct, and I even believed it when I was 16 and 17, and took their side in the arguments in our house. Of course it was fun, too, telling my brother and sister that they were too immature to vote.

This was in the San Francisco Bay Area, by the way, and in the hippie—anti-war era, too. When I looked around at my high school classmates, I figured then that this was a bad decision — to lower the voting age. I was one of very few in school that would voice anti-McGovern comments — I was parroting my dad.

The car-rental and accident statistics illustrations are very good, and Congress would have been wise to pay more attention to these things.

Actually, the first presidential candidate I got to vote for was Gerald Ford. But I still feel that I understood very little, relatively, my maturity in the issues was too lacking, until my wife and I stood in line in 1980 to vote for our beloved Mr. Reagan. At that time I was already 24, and my wife 23, and I had spent 6-1/2 years in the U.S. Air Force.

I would favor raising the voting age back to 21, but it will never happen until the modern hippies who follow people like Obama have voted in our complete national destruction.


11 posted on 07/21/2009 12:46:14 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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I think most young people would be willing to raise the voting age in exchange for the drinking age to be lowered.


15 posted on 07/21/2009 1:47:44 AM PDT by Cheap_Hessian
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To: neverdem
America has a high "breakup value". In a doomsday scenario, the country would be reorganized into two nations, just as is being proposed for Israel. Leftists might migrate to a nation of settlements in the Northeast, with all the corruption and squalor of Cold War East Berlin. The rest of America then would be liberated to flourish in freedom and prosperity
18 posted on 07/21/2009 3:15:51 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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America has a high "breakup value". In a doomsday scenario, the country would be reorganized into two nations, just as is being proposed for Israel. Leftists might migrate to a nation of settlements in the Northeast, with all the corruption and squalor of Cold War East Berlin. The rest of America then would be liberated to flourish in freedom and prosperity

Agreed.


19 posted on 07/21/2009 3:17:28 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: neverdem
I say bring back the property ownership requirement with an exception for military veterans or go with Robert Heinlein's "veteran only" voting from Starship Troopers.
21 posted on 07/21/2009 3:29:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I am Jim Thompson!!)
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To: neverdem
A Psychology Today story says coddling can lead to "endless adolescence":

No kidding. Just take a look at DU.

The DUmmies all live in mommies basement, are surrounded by empty pizza boxes and post from their Commodore 64 which is connected to a 14.4K modem.

25 posted on 07/21/2009 5:02:45 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: neverdem

A young woman recently posted something on FR about her friends wanting to know why she married so early...at 27! There was a time when many women were grandmothers at that age or shortly after! I replied to her that I recall having a woman asked me what was wrong with me because I didn’t have a wife and children...at 23! When I was in high school we had student bus drivers who did an admirable job, the minimum age for a driver was 16. Contrary to what might be expected today they did not wreck the buses every day, the state saved a lot of money, they paid the student drivers thirty five dollars a month.

I suspect the problem is less one of at what age the brain naturally develops and more one of the brain having no demands made on it. A child will remain a child if society never demands adulthood.

At 14 on the farm I was expected to do man size jobs after school, on weekends and during summer “vacation”. I was already becoming a problem solver and figuring things out for myself. Now I have a 34 year old stepson with a university degree who is working at a part-time job, is unmarried and will probably stay that way and can’t figure out how to do the simplest little task without being shown how to do it.


26 posted on 07/21/2009 5:52:12 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: neverdem

Okay, I turned 18 in ‘82, and I wasn’t an idiot. (Well, not politically, anyway.)


40 posted on 07/21/2009 2:35:51 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: neverdem

The Broken Window Fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

Directly applies to what usurper Marxist Obama and the criminal and insane Congress are doing right now.


45 posted on 07/21/2009 3:25:59 PM PDT by bvw
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Obama and the CPUSA

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51 posted on 07/21/2009 9:12:01 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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ok...that explains it all....
On (DirecTV) tru_tv #246...on: Worlds' Stupidest Criminals / Craziest / Dumbest No. ##...many shown are under 45....most are under 25 y.o.

54 posted on 07/21/2009 9:35:29 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the poor (foolish) voter: Welcome to MY DeathCARE ® You Sucker... Now Die! :^)
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To: neverdem

It was lowered due to the draft, and for no other reason I have ever heard.

It was reasoned that if you are mature enough to sacrifice your life for our great nation, you were old enough to vote. Additionally, it was reasoned that if you were deemed mature enough to serve and possibly die, you were mature enough to choose those who might send you to your fate.

I agree.


59 posted on 07/21/2009 10:23:43 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Would you buy a used car from this man?)
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I suppose this is old school, Doc, but I was told that physical maturity came in the 25th year, emotional maturity in the 35th year. The most malleable years in the human psyche are from 9 to 20. Every 7 years nearly all cells in the human body are replaced with new cells (except in the brain).

Psychological evaluations of teenagers are rarely accurate unless taken on a daily basis. Degradation of mental skills can occur at any age. An early indicator of the onset of senility is registering as a Democrat which can be corrected if caught in time.
60 posted on 07/21/2009 10:25:03 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Government needs a Keelhauling now and then.)
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I just told my wife, with a Doctorate in Education, about this information. She said, yea, I’ve only known about that for 15 years or so. (She got her doctorate, 20 years ago, after spending about 10 years in the classroom, and a couple of years writing educational materials.).


61 posted on 07/21/2009 10:26:33 PM PDT by El Gato
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“Endless Adolescence”...perfect description


64 posted on 07/21/2009 10:46:56 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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